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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2014, 08:52:06 pm »
don't try to convince me that this is all about luck, luck almost has nothing to do with staking because you can't stay lucky forever.

That is why people become unlucky and lose all their shit. If skill was involved, people could prevent becoming cleaned, and that is not possible.
i guess some people have already prevented themselves from getting cleaned already and now have like 60 if not 80% of the game's economy. did they also luck out? i find it pretty unlikely

If they see they are going on a dry streak, of course they will be having smaller stakes to lose less items. That's only common sense, which you seem to have lack of.
i wonder who is the one lacking common sense here because luck is not math, it doesn't follow rules or anything stable. there is nothing such as a lucky streaks that last forever. luck might come once or twice but not every time. so if you want to test your LUCK every time you want to stake then you won't dare to take that decision for a long time and eventually you won't build much of a bank. unless this luck is different than the luck we have learned about ofc, then i can't disagree. many players have quit because they were as simple minded as you so i hope that you decide to stake while having this thought about luck, maybe we will see dat farewell topic of yours pretty soon after that ::)

Did you even read what I told you ???
hopeless.... :-X

Yes, your skill to comprehend English sentences is indeed hopeless.
chill it dude, why are you taking it personally lol ? relax, you're acting so childish.

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2014, 09:02:18 pm »
don't try to convince me that this is all about luck, luck almost has nothing to do with staking because you can't stay lucky forever.

That is why people become unlucky and lose all their shit. If skill was involved, people could prevent becoming cleaned, and that is not possible.
i guess some people have already prevented themselves from getting cleaned already and now have like 60 if not 80% of the game's economy. did they also luck out? i find it pretty unlikely

If they see they are going on a dry streak, of course they will be having smaller stakes to lose less items. That's only common sense, which you seem to have lack of.
i wonder who is the one lacking common sense here because luck is not math, it doesn't follow rules or anything stable. there is nothing such as a lucky streaks that last forever. luck might come once or twice but not every time. so if you want to test your LUCK every time you want to stake then you won't dare to take that decision for a long time and eventually you won't build much of a bank. unless this luck is different than the luck we have learned about ofc, then i can't disagree. many players have quit because they were as simple minded as you so i hope that you decide to stake while having this thought about luck, maybe we will see dat farewell topic of yours pretty soon after that ::)

Did you even read what I told you ???
hopeless.... :-X

Yes, your skill to comprehend English sentences is indeed hopeless.
chill it dude, why are you taking it personally lol ? relax, you're acting so childish.

*facepalm*
I'm done.

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2014, 09:11:13 pm »
don't try to convince me that this is all about luck, luck almost has nothing to do with staking because you can't stay lucky forever.

That is why people become unlucky and lose all their shit. If skill was involved, people could prevent becoming cleaned, and that is not possible.
i guess some people have already prevented themselves from getting cleaned already and now have like 60 if not 80% of the game's economy. did they also luck out? i find it pretty unlikely

If they see they are going on a dry streak, of course they will be having smaller stakes to lose less items. That's only common sense, which you seem to have lack of.
i wonder who is the one lacking common sense here because luck is not math, it doesn't follow rules or anything stable. there is nothing such as a lucky streaks that last forever. luck might come once or twice but not every time. so if you want to test your LUCK every time you want to stake then you won't dare to take that decision for a long time and eventually you won't build much of a bank. unless this luck is different than the luck we have learned about ofc, then i can't disagree. many players have quit because they were as simple minded as you so i hope that you decide to stake while having this thought about luck, maybe we will see dat farewell topic of yours pretty soon after that ::)

Did you even read what I told you ???
hopeless.... :-X

Yes, your skill to comprehend English sentences is indeed hopeless.
chill it dude, why are you taking it personally lol ? relax, you're acting so childish.

*facepalm*
I'm done.
good now that is how you act like an adult

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2014, 09:16:33 pm »
Stay on topic, please, guys.

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2014, 09:38:52 pm »

*facepalm*
I'm done.
good now that is how you act like an adult
Yet you continue arguing with him even though he left because you're lacking the ability to listen to others.

Where are your facts?
All I see is incorrect statements, the only "skills" in staking is your ability to choose how and how much to stake.

Please read my previous comments as I am sure you didn't read them because you were too ignorant. The first comment explains how staking works.
Here, I'll even quote it for you:
It is actually all about luck, the only thing you have influence over is how much you stake and the rules you set for each fight

Hits are generated by a random number generator integrated in the combat system; hits are RANDOM. This means that you don't have any advantage what so ever if both follow the same rules, there is no "secret" that some know and finally those who are fortunate with hits are per definition LUCKY
If you gain multiple victories it is out of RANDOMNESS, luck if you will.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2014, 09:41:46 pm by Str Pvp14 »

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2014, 09:56:38 pm »
Stay on topic, please, guys.

I wouldn't call arguing ''off-topic'' since this thread consists 99% from it.

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2014, 09:58:35 pm »
i wonder who is the one lacking common sense here because luck is not math, it doesn't follow rules or anything stable. there is nothing such as a lucky streaks that last forever. luck might come once or twice but not every time. so if you want to test your LUCK every time you want to stake then you won't dare to take that decision for a long time and eventually you won't build much of a bank. unless this luck is different than the luck we have learned about ofc, then i can't disagree. many players have quit because they were as simple minded as you so i hope that you decide to stake while having this thought about luck, maybe we will see dat farewell topic of yours pretty soon after that ::)
You said luck has no rules then you said that luck can't come more than 2times, you are contradicting yourself.
You are right, luck is no math and there is no such thing as planning luck BUT there is a study called "probabilities", read about it.
There is a chance that you win 100x in a row, it is possible it is just very unlikely.
You are thinking luck can't come more than two times, well guess what, it can.


When soldiers have nowhere to run to - if their bridges have been burned - they fight much harder than they otherwise would have. When you find something that you care about enough, be prepared to burn your bridges.-Chait

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2014, 10:03:54 pm »
Stay on topic, please, guys.

I wouldn't call arguing ''off-topic'' since this thread consists 99% from it.
I don't mind some friendly banter as long as it's relevant to the subject, but from what I saw you two started going personal.

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2014, 10:09:22 pm »
Stay on topic, please, guys.

I wouldn't call arguing ''off-topic'' since this thread consists 99% from it.
I don't mind some friendly banter as long as it's relevant to the subject, but from what I saw you two started going personal.

In that case it should be me who should get the warning/infraction, not Str Pvp14.

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2014, 10:13:13 pm »

*facepalm*
I'm done.
good now that is how you act like an adult
Yet you continue arguing with him even though he left because you're lacking the ability to listen to others.

Where are your facts?
All I see is incorrect statements, the only "skills" in staking is your ability to choose how and how much to stake.

Please read my previous comments as I am sure you didn't read them because you were too ignorant. The first comment explains how staking works.
Here, I'll even quote it for you:
It is actually all about luck, the only thing you have influence over is how much you stake and the rules you set for each fight

Hits are generated by a random number generator integrated in the combat system; hits are RANDOM. This means that you don't have any advantage what so ever if both follow the same rules, there is no "secret" that some know and finally those who are fortunate with hits are per definition LUCKY
If you gain multiple victories it is out of RANDOMNESS, luck if you will.
where did you pop out from? are you like the minion or something?
i can't argue with you because i'm the one who's opposing the system here and has no proof to show, but this is why i called it a secret. anyway i'm not intending to start another series of meaningless spam, so i'll make my point. when someone wins too much then it is too good to depend on luck only, and i'm not obligated to take your explanation as a reliable resource because you are a mere player just like me. and in fact what you said is exactly what i am doubting. like seriously hasn't it ever popped to your mind that those handful of players are winning everything only because they were lucky?? isn't that too comfortable to refer everything to luck? there is something fishy about staking, it is not luck please don't make me say more. 

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2014, 10:15:49 pm »
Stay on topic, please, guys.

I wouldn't call arguing ''off-topic'' since this thread consists 99% from it.
I don't mind some friendly banter as long as it's relevant to the subject, but from what I saw you two started going personal.

In that case it should be me who should get the warning/infraction, not Str Pvp14.
He continued arguing personally AFTER the mod warning, hence the infraction. Stop arguing or this topic will be locked if you guys cant discuss in a civilized way without taking it personal. Just simply say you disagree with a user and state why.

I don't want any more hostile comments in this topic now.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2014, 10:33:19 pm by Mary »

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2014, 12:36:54 am »
i wonder who is the one lacking common sense here because luck is not math, it doesn't follow rules or anything stable. there is nothing such as a lucky streaks that last forever. luck might come once or twice but not every time. so if you want to test your LUCK every time you want to stake then you won't dare to take that decision for a long time and eventually you won't build much of a bank. unless this luck is different than the luck we have learned about ofc, then i can't disagree. many players have quit because they were as simple minded as you so i hope that you decide to stake while having this thought about luck, maybe we will see dat farewell topic of yours pretty soon after that ::)
You said luck has no rules then you said that luck can't come more than 2times, you are contradicting yourself.
You are right, luck is no math and there is no such thing as planning luck BUT there is a study called "probabilities", read about it.
There is a chance that you win 100x in a row, it is possible it is just very unlikely.
You are thinking luck can't come more than two times, well guess what, it can.
well i can't say you're wrong but you should know that i wasn't stating facts when i said that luck won't come more than twice,everyone uses this way of speaking when they want to make a point,so don't go looking for small things like these. and this thing about luck streaks might be true if only one is having it but there are more than one that are having heavenly lucky streaks, which shouldn't be possible in a small game like emps or at least the chance of this happening should be close to zero. and please explain this to me, why are the same players who were rich because of staking in old emps are doing it again and getting rich the same way? is it really possible that their luck is that much stable? another question, is it possible to get 100 drops in a row from bandos? figuratively speaking yes it is possible but can you imagine anyone in this 300-players game having this extraordinary luck? of course not. this is exactly the case with winning 100 times in a row. you might need like a hundred years for this to happen.

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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2014, 01:05:23 am »
i wonder who is the one lacking common sense here because luck is not math, it doesn't follow rules or anything stable. there is nothing such as a lucky streaks that last forever. luck might come once or twice but not every time. so if you want to test your LUCK every time you want to stake then you won't dare to take that decision for a long time and eventually you won't build much of a bank. unless this luck is different than the luck we have learned about ofc, then i can't disagree. many players have quit because they were as simple minded as you so i hope that you decide to stake while having this thought about luck, maybe we will see dat farewell topic of yours pretty soon after that ::)
You said luck has no rules then you said that luck can't come more than 2times, you are contradicting yourself.
You are right, luck is no math and there is no such thing as planning luck BUT there is a study called "probabilities", read about it.
There is a chance that you win 100x in a row, it is possible it is just very unlikely.
You are thinking luck can't come more than two times, well guess what, it can.
well i can't say you're wrong but you should know that i wasn't stating facts when i said that luck won't come more than twice,everyone uses this way of speaking when they want to make a point,so don't go looking for small things like these. and this thing about luck streaks might be true if only one is having it but there are more than one that are having heavenly lucky streaks, which shouldn't be possible in a small game like emps or at least the chance of this happening should be close to zero. and please explain this to me, why are the same players who were rich because of staking in old emps are doing it again and getting rich the same way? is it really possible that their luck is that much stable? another question, is it possible to get 100 drops in a row from bandos? figuratively speaking yes it is possible but can you imagine anyone in this 300-players game having this extraordinary luck? of course not. this is exactly the case with winning 100 times in a row. you might need like a hundred years for this to happen.
First of all I used your "twice" as an example aswell,three, four, eighty, billion times, doesn't matter, you stated a rule"Luck can't come everytime" while you said that luck has no rules.

you have a 50% chance to win a fight, so let's say you have a 200m bank, you have a 50% chance to make a 400m bank just with luck, you win or you don't, easy as that. Now if 50people try that and 25 of em succeed, is that a surprise? no
to win 2fights in a row, you have a 25% chance. So out of 50 player around 12players will win twice in a row. If they went all in twice and started from 200m they will have 800m atm. That's considered rich.
to win 5fights in a row you have a 3% chance. That chance is not so big compared the chance to get an ornament kit or fury kit.
if you go 5times all in and are the lucky one you will get helari rich.
As you see that chance is not that big and it is possible, even to do it twice.
You don't need a 100 winstreak to become hella rich.
Also I don't know any staker that had been rich for more than 1 month if he was staking the whole time.





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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2014, 09:04:17 am »
2# - There are good days and bad days. It means some days you kill almost everyone and never die, but somedays you only lose ( It means do not try to win your items back, You will lose anyway)


That point is true.
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Re: About stakeing
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2014, 09:06:47 am »
i wonder who is the one lacking common sense here because luck is not math, it doesn't follow rules or anything stable. there is nothing such as a lucky streaks that last forever. luck might come once or twice but not every time. so if you want to test your LUCK every time you want to stake then you won't dare to take that decision for a long time and eventually you won't build much of a bank. unless this luck is different than the luck we have learned about ofc, then i can't disagree. many players have quit because they were as simple minded as you so i hope that you decide to stake while having this thought about luck, maybe we will see dat farewell topic of yours pretty soon after that ::)
You said luck has no rules then you said that luck can't come more than 2times, you are contradicting yourself.
You are right, luck is no math and there is no such thing as planning luck BUT there is a study called "probabilities", read about it.
There is a chance that you win 100x in a row, it is possible it is just very unlikely.
You are thinking luck can't come more than two times, well guess what, it can.
well i can't say you're wrong but you should know that i wasn't stating facts when i said that luck won't come more than twice,everyone uses this way of speaking when they want to make a point,so don't go looking for small things like these. and this thing about luck streaks might be true if only one is having it but there are more than one that are having heavenly lucky streaks, which shouldn't be possible in a small game like emps or at least the chance of this happening should be close to zero. and please explain this to me, why are the same players who were rich because of staking in old emps are doing it again and getting rich the same way? is it really possible that their luck is that much stable? another question, is it possible to get 100 drops in a row from bandos? figuratively speaking yes it is possible but can you imagine anyone in this 300-players game having this extraordinary luck? of course not. this is exactly the case with winning 100 times in a row. you might need like a hundred years for this to happen.
First of all I used your "twice" as an example aswell,three, four, eighty, billion times, doesn't matter, you stated a rule"Luck can't come everytime" while you said that luck has no rules.

you have a 50% chance to win a fight, so let's say you have a 200m bank, you have a 50% chance to make a 400m bank just with luck, you win or you don't, easy as that. Now if 50people try that and 25 of em succeed, is that a surprise? no
to win 2fights in a row, you have a 25% chance. So out of 50 player around 12players will win twice in a row. If they went all in twice and started from 200m they will have 800m atm. That's considered rich.
to win 5fights in a row you have a 3% chance. That chance is not so big compared the chance to get an ornament kit or fury kit.
if you go 5times all in and are the lucky one you will get helari rich.
As you see that chance is not that big and it is possible, even to do it twice.
You don't need a 100 winstreak to become hella rich.
Also I don't know any staker that had been rich for more than 1 month if he was staking the whole time.
so you're assuming that all stakers have good banks from the beginning, because 200m(and such) banks are not that easy to get. your calculations are too ideal and unrealistic, but it is true that out of 50 people,25 will win and so on.and then again if you keep an eye on the stakes you will see that only the same people stake huge amounts of money, which means that people who are staking 5m and really small amounts can hardly make it big(and they are the majority) , because they will lose eventually. and if some of them do win many times, how many times would it take them to become really rich (like these crazy banks we saw,not just good banks). still the chance is too weak, i'm not convinced yet    ::)
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