took me a total of 381 elite clues to get my first complete dye, 382 elites for a second, 411 eites for third and 442 elites for fourth.

heres the (worthy) loot from all those clues.

it does pricecheck to 1b. if i were to include the other loots it would probably be 1,1-1,2b total.

elite clues on a base take 10-20 mins to complete, if you were to get all 4 dyes it would take you (calced from my test) about 147 hours to get them. thats more than 6 days of straight elite clues. this would be 7m per hour which is quite low imo. my suggestion on this is to increase the amount of shards possible by 30-50% on both elites and hards.

No thanks, I'd rather keep the dyes rare.

The ability to trade the shards makes it quite easy for dyes to come into the game. Clues are actually decent money now, any increase in shards is a step towards that no longer being the case.

Inb4 BUT MUH IRONMAN CANT TRADE. You're an ironman, work for it.

I agree with this. It does take way too many Caskets to actually earn a decent amount of shards.

Would also prefer them to stay rare.

Not sure if elites always offer the same amount of dye, but I wish it had like a rare droptable for dyes too.
If you get lucky you can get alot of dyes in one clue, but the base would be same.

I think that's the meaning of them being rare.

I don't consider 7m/h to be low. If a player plays mere 2 hours a day for a single year (having player for as long as possible is always a great thing), they would make over 5B gold in that time. For comparison's sake, my bank isn't even 1B.

elite clues on a base take 10-20 mins to complete, if you were to get all 4 dyes it would take you (calced from my test) about 147 hours to get them. thats more than 6 days of straight elite clues. this would be 7m per hour which is quite low imo.

you can get 40m+ an hour by selling the caskets

Disagree on buffing dye shards drop rate/drop amount.

I think they are end game cosmetic stuff (used on torva/virtus/pernix, max cape etc), and thus it should not be that easy to gather the whole dye. I also prefer them to stay rare.

Quote from: Corne506 on October 16, 2017, 09:00:19 pm

elite clues on a base take 10-20 mins to complete, if you were to get all 4 dyes it would take you (calced from my test) about 147 hours to get them. thats more than 6 days of straight elite clues. this would be 7m per hour which is quite low imo.

you can get 40m+ an hour by selling the caskets

but then you wouldn't get the shards thats what this topic is pointed on

I don't consider 7m/h to be low.

I agree with this. That's by no means low.

but then you wouldn't get the shards thats what this topic is pointed on

The only reason the price of elite caskets inflated is because of the shards, if you're gonna hand out more shards there will be less demand for caskets. If you want to get a dye without trading open your caskets. If you think it's too much work buy them.

Quote from: Someone12116 on October 17, 2017, 12:56:04 pm

I don't consider 7m/h to be low.

I agree with this. That's by no means low.

Quote from: Corne506 on October 18, 2017, 06:33:33 pm

but then you wouldn't get the shards thats what this topic is pointed on

The only reason the price of elite caskets inflated is because of the shards, if you're gonna hand out more shards there will be less demand for caskets. If you want to get a dye without trading open your caskets. If you think it's too much work buy them.

This isn't wether the moneymaking doing caskets is amazing or not, it's about the amount of dye you get per clue and if it's reasonable.
Caskets sky-rocketed in price because of rich stakers wanting comestics first and fast, no average player is going to buy any caskets for 6m each.

Average person is going to buy dyes for either 250k each or do elites themselves, I haven't even put an offer for dyes in GE because even now 40 days after the update I'm guessing the market for them is not really in my best intrest.

You really don't need to argue about the amazing moneymaking method held on the shoulders of ks amk stakers, it just comes down to wether you think that doing 381 clues for 500 dye shards is okay.

If I had to make an prediction if the caskets are going to drop in the future with these drop rates, I would say yes all things considered. But given how they even inflated to 6-8m which is just a stupid price to pay for any casket, who the fuck knows.

Eventually there will be less demand for caskets, remember the dyed items are untradeable. You can't really clinge onto this 6-8m per casket number and hope it never drops, it has already dropped ~2m as far as I know.

Couple things to mention, far as I know corne actually has an dyed item that he has worked for, so basing your arguments over what you think ironmen will say is completely pointless.

You can get around 200-300m in 10 hours selling caskets, nobody's saying you can't. The point is you couldnt buy 200-300m worth of dyes (which is roughly 500 dyes) in 10x that time. And I don't see how the dye-market will get any better, if stakers actually grow some brains and realize they lose about 60% of caskets initial 6m price per pop they should drop in price eventually. Furthermore that stakers will eventually obtain the dyed items and there goes alot of your market for caskets.

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All in all, the fact that Thomy is updating the clue droptable is really nice. I really hope we get another update to it's droptable in the future, when people have forgotten about dyes and then they will sell much easier.

I'm not really that adamant about changing of the dye rates, it's been 40 days and I've only seen 3 of the new items. Considering how rare they've been to see I've actually cared less and less about them, not more.

Also I'm kinda petty that It takes so long to get the sick max cape