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Offline Purple Phat

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Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« on: September 11, 2015, 08:52:10 am »
So in Emps-Scape there was Emps-Wars instead of castle wars, by any chance can we get it back ? if we get enough votes will you bring back Emps-Wars, Thomy please. it was alot more fun back in the day.
we hate those trolls who just take their team flag and run around the game with it, its just stupid................ please Thomy
WE WANT TO FIGHT THE BOSSES INSTEAD RUN AROUND WITH THE FLAG!
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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2015, 08:58:03 am »
Agree :)
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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2015, 09:49:51 am »
This has been suggested countless times, no matter how many votes you get it's still up to Thomy to decide. Also polls can quite easily be rigged.

As for my opinion on the matter,

I don't think we should bring emps-wars back. I get that emps-wars was fun, teaming up with a lot of people to get the enemy's boss down as quickly as possible was quite nice. It's pure nostalgia for a lot of players, that's the thing though, you're all high on nostalgia. There are a TON of bad things about emps-wars. For example, players that aren't very well geared won't enjoy the minigame at all. They won't be able to damage the boss and are only left to kill players, which wasn't rewarded back then, unlike it is now in castle wars. Emps-wars took a lot more time per round to finish. In emps-wars only one person was rewarded per team for actually playing the objective, you got bonus tickets if you did the most damage to the boss, again this was entirely related to your gear. Now you get tickets for running flags and killing people, so both trying to take flags and defending yours is encouraged. As far as minigame design goes, castle wars is definitely better designed.

Emps wars (as a variant of soul wars) was also in the content poll which the GE was voted highest on. So it might be something Thomy will get to later.

we hate those trolls who just take their team flag and run around the game with it
If you pick up your own flag it's returned to your base, this has been here for quite a while. Please actually educate yourself on the subject before you suggest something.

Some general tips for suggestions:
  • Make it 100% clear what you want to suggest, some newer players might not know what emps-wars is.
  • Give us reasons why. Why do we need emps-wars back?
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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2015, 02:36:33 pm »
I enjoy Castle wars a lot more. Don't get me wrong, Emp-Wars was also enjoyable. Me, personally, I find Castle wars a lot more enjoyable because it's competitive because you're competing against each other in a capture the flag mode where once someone gets the flag everyone goes chaotic and tries to kill the flag carrier.

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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2015, 08:04:07 am »
This has been suggested countless times, no matter how many votes you get it's still up to Thomy to decide.
You are right, this indeed has been suggested countless times. This means that lots and lots of people actually want it to change back to how it used to be.
As for me, I wouldn't care whether it gets changed or not since I still wouldn't go and play it. However, I can understand that people are fond of Emps-Wars. I also prefer Emps-Wars over Castle Wars for obvious reasons. I just don't want Thomy to waste time on it since there are more important matters to focus on.

There are a TON of bad things about emps-wars. For example, players that aren't very well geared won't enjoy the minigame at all. They won't be able to damage the boss and are only left to kill players, which wasn't rewarded back then, unlike it is now in castle wars. Emps-wars took a lot more time per round to finish. In emps-wars only one person was rewarded per team for actually playing the objective, you got bonus tickets if you did the most damage to the boss, again this was entirely related to your gear. Now you get tickets for running flags and killing people, so both trying to take flags and defending yours is encouraged. As far as minigame design goes, castle wars is definitely better designed.
You stated there were a TON of bad things about Emps-Wars. You just listed a few bad things and I think two of those few are false. You said it took a lot more time, where did you get that idea from, have you ever played it? Trust me with a decent team the game was over in minutes. And it's not like a decent team is hard to comeby since Emps-Wars was always crowded with people. You also mentioned people who aren't very well geared won't enjoy the minigame at all. When I used to play back in the days I also used to be a noob with no gear, but guess what? I did enjoy the minigame, just like countless of other noobs with full Dragon who played it 24/7. It ofcourse may be because the shop contained a Saradomin Sword which they could sell for a decent price in Falador, that I do not know for sure. But would it be bad if they played it for that reason? I don't think so, it used to be an easy moneymake method for people who don't have the required stats to solo a boss or the required Slayer level or a membership to slay monsters that actually drop decent stuff.
Let's move onto the next argument, only one person was rewarded for doing the actual objective, this may be true, however, this single person wouldn't be able to do it on his own. The boss is too strong for that, and you can imagine that the other team has defenders to protect their boss. I kind of agree with you on this point, but why not change a little bit of concept of Emps-Wars? Might aswell give tickets for killing players aswell, since that has been updated in Castle Wars aswell... You think Castle Wars is better designed because you get tickets for doing the objective; people try to take each other's flags and they try to defend their own flag. Well in Emps-Wars people wanted to win the minigame to obtain the most tickets possible hence people tried to do the objective, which is killing the other team's boss before your's was defeated. Some people were defensive and stayed in their own castle to protect their boss and some people were offensive and stormed the opponent's castle to defeat their boss. As far as I'm concerned the minigame design is pretty equal.
Pretty much all of your arguments are busted.

Also polls can quite easily be rigged.
I'd suggest you to use polls aswell. Oh wait, that doesn't raise your thankcount.
If you have any constructive feedback, please post it below. If you simply agree with the suggestion you can thank the post, no need to spam.

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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2015, 11:55:10 am »
to be honest running with the flag is really boring, i usually get bored after the third flag and start killing people because the concept is too simple to be entertaining. to me it seems just like skilling, because the pattern doesn't change at all. despite all that, i like the equal chances for getting tickets. some people who might not have good gear, could actually get more tickets than someone with high end gear, which makes it more low level\skillers friendly.
i don't know if there is a way to combine the two ideas (monsters and flags), but it would be interesting to see something like that in the game.

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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2015, 12:34:15 pm »
This has been suggested countless times, no matter how many votes you get it's still up to Thomy to decide.
You are right, this indeed has been suggested countless times. This means that lots and lots of people actually want it to change back to how it used to be.
As for me, I wouldn't care whether it gets changed or not since I still wouldn't go and play it. However, I can understand that people are fond of Emps-Wars. I also prefer Emps-Wars over Castle Wars for obvious reasons. I just don't want Thomy to waste time on it since there are more important matters to focus on.

There are a TON of bad things about emps-wars. For example, players that aren't very well geared won't enjoy the minigame at all. They won't be able to damage the boss and are only left to kill players, which wasn't rewarded back then, unlike it is now in castle wars. Emps-wars took a lot more time per round to finish. In emps-wars only one person was rewarded per team for actually playing the objective, you got bonus tickets if you did the most damage to the boss, again this was entirely related to your gear. Now you get tickets for running flags and killing people, so both trying to take flags and defending yours is encouraged. As far as minigame design goes, castle wars is definitely better designed.
You stated there were a TON of bad things about Emps-Wars. You just listed a few bad things and I think two of those few are false. You said it took a lot more time, where did you get that idea from, have you ever played it? Trust me with a decent team the game was over in minutes. And it's not like a decent team is hard to comeby since Emps-Wars was always crowded with people. You also mentioned people who aren't very well geared won't enjoy the minigame at all. When I used to play back in the days I also used to be a noob with no gear, but guess what? I did enjoy the minigame, just like countless of other noobs with full Dragon who played it 24/7. It ofcourse may be because the shop contained a Saradomin Sword which they could sell for a decent price in Falador, that I do not know for sure. But would it be bad if they played it for that reason? I don't think so, it used to be an easy moneymake method for people who don't have the required stats to solo a boss or the required Slayer level or a membership to slay monsters that actually drop decent stuff.
Let's move onto the next argument, only one person was rewarded for doing the actual objective, this may be true, however, this single person wouldn't be able to do it on his own. The boss is too strong for that, and you can imagine that the other team has defenders to protect their boss. I kind of agree with you on this point, but why not change a little bit of concept of Emps-Wars? Might aswell give tickets for killing players aswell, since that has been updated in Castle Wars aswell... You think Castle Wars is better designed because you get tickets for doing the objective; people try to take each other's flags and they try to defend their own flag. Well in Emps-Wars people wanted to win the minigame to obtain the most tickets possible hence people tried to do the objective, which is killing the other team's boss before your's was defeated. Some people were defensive and stayed in their own castle to protect their boss and some people were offensive and stormed the opponent's castle to defeat their boss. As far as I'm concerned the minigame design is pretty equal.
Pretty much all of your arguments are busted.

Also polls can quite easily be rigged.
I'd suggest you to use polls aswell. Oh wait, that doesn't raise your thankcount.
If you have any constructive feedback, please post it below. If you simply agree with the suggestion you can thank the post, no need to spam.

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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2015, 12:38:19 pm »

You said it took a lot more time, where did you get that idea from, have you ever played it? Trust me with a decent team the game was over in minutes. And it's not like a decent team is hard to comeby since Emps-Wars was always crowded with people.
You are right, a team with proper gear (probably full void and an anger weapon at the time) would have the boss down really quickly. But a team in barrows-tier gear would spend at the very least 8 minutes trying to get the boss down IF they didn't have an enemy or two defending. A mager with smite and barrage could pretty much devastate an attack line if he wasn't spec'd down immediately. Also, decent teams will be harder to come by since we don't have the playercount we used to.

You also mentioned people who aren't very well geared won't enjoy the minigame at all. When I used to play back in the days I also used to be a noob with no gear, but guess what? I did enjoy the minigame, just like countless of other noobs with full Dragon who played it 24/7. It ofcourse may be because the shop contained a Saradomin Sword which they could sell for a decent price in Falador, that I do not know for sure. But would it be bad if they played it for that reason? I don't think so, it used to be an easy moneymake method for people who don't have the required stats to solo a boss or the required Slayer level or a membership to slay monsters that actually drop decent stuff.

Castle wars no longer has sara sword or the void set (which is what i think drove most people back in the day) in it's reward shop, money wise you'll only save money with brawlers or make a lot less with ava or nezzy. It's definitely not as good of a moneymaking method as it used to be, and that is why I left that out of my post. People in low gear had low-to-no impact on the outcome of the game and weren't awarded for anything they did, the only reason that was enjoyable was because we were getting paid for it, that made it bearable.

Well in Emps-Wars people wanted to win the minigame to obtain the most tickets possible hence people tried to do the objective, which is killing the other team's boss before yours was defeated. Some people were defensive and stayed in their own castle to protect their boss and some people were offensive and stormed the opponent's castle to defeat their boss. As far as I'm concerned the minigame design is pretty equal.
Except a level 3 can carry a flag to his base. Emps-wars wasn't as forgiving for lower-levels/people without good gear.

As far as polls go, I'll add them next time.

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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2015, 06:13:03 am »
A level three can be instantly killed in one hit of anything too....


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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2015, 08:26:08 am »
This has been suggested countless times, no matter how many votes you get it's still up to Thomy to decide. Also polls can quite easily be rigged.

As for my opinion on the matter,

players that aren't very well geared won't enjoy the minigame at all. They won't be able to damage the boss and are only left to kill players

Well don't you think that they need a decent gear to protect the flag?



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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2015, 08:48:50 am »
It's fairly easy to design a system that would even allow lower players without decent gear to participate without feeling useless. Now that the castle wars defense systems are in place they can blow up walls and put down barricades to slow down enemies, even while being level 3.
Those systems can be applied to the old Emps wars as well.

So i'm not sure why you guys keep complaining that only high leveled players are good for castle wars/emps wars
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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2015, 11:19:21 am »
Totally agree... the game used to be really fun.
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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2015, 02:55:56 pm »
Thomy isn't able to bring it back because it is Graham's content.
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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2015, 01:15:59 pm »
This would bring back so much memories but still im neutral, i like to play the game as much as i liked to play 'Emps-Wars'.
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Re: Castle wars to Emps-Wars
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2015, 06:51:33 pm »
Plz two playable games Thomy :/

Meaning Emps wars and Castle Wars.


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