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Title: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Jp on September 22, 2018, 08:09:26 pm
After a small discussion we made a decision to have english as the only permitted language within the official Emps-World clan chat.
Be not afraid however we will not be issuing mutes for those who do not follow the rule we've set. Only moderating tools we will be using to enforce that are moderating tools that are built for clan chats.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Il Skill L on September 22, 2018, 08:17:22 pm
Why is that?
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Jp on September 22, 2018, 08:38:39 pm
Why is that?
Main reason is moderating purposes. A lot of the times certain group(s) of people can have a flame wars or harass other player(s) in different language and as a moderator it's hard to do anything in that situation, this is to un-directly tackle that issue.
I do understand that this is a thing that really divides people into two groups, those who agree and those who disagree.

My personal opinion is that sure it's a nice thing to have 1 language that everyone speaks on some level but it has some negative sides to it as well.
People who speak multiple languages but english isn't one of them might get discouraged to say anything now that this is a thing is one negative thing imho and it might result people into leaving the main chat.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Loop on September 22, 2018, 10:33:32 pm
Why is that?
Main reason is moderating purposes. A lot of the times certain group(s) of people can have a flame wars or harass other player(s) in different language and as a moderator it's hard to do anything in that situation, this is to un-directly tackle that issue.
I do understand that this is a thing that really divides people into two groups, those who agree and those who disagree.

My personal opinion is that sure it's a nice thing to have 1 language that everyone speaks on some level but it has some negative sides to it as well.
People who speak multiple languages but english isn't one of them might get discouraged to say anything now that this is a thing is one negative thing imho and it might result people into leaving the main chat.
Or just promote more active moderators who are from specific countries (mostly Lithuanian) that are more sophisticated to carry out the punishments that people actually deserve and are not too afraid of what would happen if they acted too harshly(remember, Martin is not the main staff manager anymore).

I'd imagine this post is for people who want to suggest things to change the clan chat in order for people not to quit because of the toxicity in the clan chat and i am suggesting this.

Desperate times call from desperate measures, and oh trust me, if you would understand half of what is spoken in Lithuanian in the official clan, you would have suggested this idea a ling time ago.



Yes.


EDIT: yes, I do still care about this game and about the community,


EDIT #2: what i'm trying to say - harsher punishments - encouragement for more people to speak the universal language - English,
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Someone12116 on September 22, 2018, 10:35:27 pm
Why is that?
Main reason is moderating purposes. A lot of the times certain group(s) of people can have a flame wars or harass other player(s) in different language and as a moderator it's hard to do anything in that situation, this is to un-directly tackle that issue.
I do understand that this is a thing that really divides people into two groups, those who agree and those who disagree.

My personal opinion is that sure it's a nice thing to have 1 language that everyone speaks on some level but it has some negative sides to it as well.
People who speak multiple languages but english isn't one of them might get discouraged to say anything now that this is a thing is one negative thing imho and it might result people into leaving the main chat.
Or just promote more active moderators who are from specific countries (mostly Lithuanian) that are more sophisticated to carry out the punishments that people actually deserve and are not too afraid of what would happen if they acted too harshly(remember, Martin is not the main staff manager anymore).

I'd imagine this post is for people who want to suggest things to change the clan chat in order for people not to quit because of the toxicity in the clan chat and i am suggesting this.

Desperate times call from desperate measures, and oh trust me, if you would understand half of what is spoken in Lithuanian in the official clan, you would have suggested this idea a ling time ago.



Yes.

Or the retards could simply take their flaming somewhere else private.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Loop on September 23, 2018, 07:45:36 am
Why is that?
Main reason is moderating purposes. A lot of the times certain group(s) of people can have a flame wars or harass other player(s) in different language and as a moderator it's hard to do anything in that situation, this is to un-directly tackle that issue.
I do understand that this is a thing that really divides people into two groups, those who agree and those who disagree.

My personal opinion is that sure it's a nice thing to have 1 language that everyone speaks on some level but it has some negative sides to it as well.
People who speak multiple languages but english isn't one of them might get discouraged to say anything now that this is a thing is one negative thing imho and it might result people into leaving the main chat.
Or just promote more active moderators who are from specific countries (mostly Lithuanian) that are more sophisticated to carry out the punishments that people actually deserve and are not too afraid of what would happen if they acted too harshly(remember, Martin is not the main staff manager anymore).

I'd imagine this post is for people who want to suggest things to change the clan chat in order for people not to quit because of the toxicity in the clan chat and i am suggesting this.

Desperate times call from desperate measures, and oh trust me, if you would understand half of what is spoken in Lithuanian in the official clan, you would have suggested this idea a ling time ago.



Yes.

Or the retards could simply take their flaming somewhere else private.
Why would they do that if there are no consequences for talking that way in the official clan chat?

Did you even read what i wrote?
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Boejuh2 on September 23, 2018, 08:15:32 am

Or the retards could simply take their flaming somewhere else private.
Why would they do that if there are no consequences for talking that way in the official clan chat?

Did you even read what i wrote?
And that why this rule was implented. It's easy for people to start swearing in their native language while noone knows what it means. Now with this rule there are consequences if they do so, and if they start swearing in English, they can be punished like any offensive language offence.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: S Clegane on September 23, 2018, 09:57:30 am
Nobody seemed to care about this back in the day when they moderated clan chat, there was always once one admin/moderator from each country, or better yet, there were more suitable players who could've done the translating of any unusual words. I, myself, remember helping out multiple ocassions moderators/administrators on that one, so... Why is this even a thing?... Implementing this rule won't stop Estonians , Lithuanians or Any other culture players to use their native languages and moderators from respective countries won't hesitate to allow them to swear, it's no wonder they did it so long till now and enforcing some kind of moderating tools against them won't do much harm - that this is even more limited place than OSRS or RS3 where language isn't barrier for anyone and everyone is happily using English or whatever they want. Again, step forward to splitting community for those who actually can use English and who doesn't have a slightest idea how to type well.

It never was bad thing to assign multiple moderators from different countries to have something in-common for that matter but enforcing this right now, when we just started to gain more players(who actually is online more often), is ridiculed to say the least. I do not know how you operate on creating rules but enforcing/encouraging players to do something strictly won't make them stay for too long, in fact, they will tend to leave soon enough as they realize: "Yeah, it's quite good game but I do not know how to speak English much less how to interact with Staff members via ticket/help-desk."(and believe me, there is at least one player a day always writing on shoutbox asking/begging for help to make a help-desk ticket to get back account or else) I could be wrong on many points here but I'm open-minded person, just cause majority thinks it's good - doesn't mean a damn thing to minority and only creates chaos from within. As I recall Thomy's words to me once: "Chaos is not something we need...", bear in mind rules won't be enforced for long if you want to stay stable as RSPS.

If one wants to come to agreement I suppose voting could've been done, not like it will do much effect in the end result but player's opinions/feedback on major changes is also something to be taken into consideration.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Jp on September 23, 2018, 10:31:57 am
What most of you seem to fail to realize is that this gives a staff member a reason to remove the player from the clan chat if deemed necessary and thus saving time and nerves from everyone else.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Tulrak on September 23, 2018, 11:30:22 am
I'm not against it or anything because I can imagine people getting spooked when they first sign up and see people talking in a foreign language in the official clan chat... but I see this as being the type of rule that people wouldn't follow to the point that the staff stops enforcing it (Just like what happened every other time we tried pushing this exact same rule on the clan chat).
Also I thought that staff members can make up rules on the spot (so long as they're reasonable about it), by which I mean that I thought that they can kick people from clan chats without needing an official rule to back up their actions. Although there's probably a rule somewhere that says that you need to follow staff members' orders or something along those lines anyway, so when a staff member says "English only in this clan chat" and people don't comply, then that's enough of a reason to kick or ban them from the clan chat.

I can however see this as putting some weight to regular players telling others to speak English, so that can be a good thing, but other than that I don't see what effect this has.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Jp on September 23, 2018, 11:40:33 am
Also I thought that staff members can make up rules on the spot (so long as they're reasonable about it), by which I mean that I thought that they can kick people from clan chats without needing an official rule to back up their actions.
I mean yeah sure they're able to that and they could even talk about whatever the issue is with the player and some players do understand that.
Majoritys mindset however on things like these is "It's not clearly stated on rules therefore it's allowed and you can't do anything, if you do something it's wrong and un-deserved". Perfect example of that is account sharing.


I can however see this as putting some weight to regular players telling others to speak English, so that can be a good thing, but other than that I don't see what effect this has.
Also this. This is something that players necessarily don't need to report to staff if there's none online at current moment, anyone can say that it's english only chat which would be nice.
Verbal warning can be issued later if it's continuous and ban from the clan chat if it keeps happening over and over again.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Someone12116 on September 23, 2018, 12:27:08 pm
Why is that?
Main reason is moderating purposes. A lot of the times certain group(s) of people can have a flame wars or harass other player(s) in different language and as a moderator it's hard to do anything in that situation, this is to un-directly tackle that issue.
I do understand that this is a thing that really divides people into two groups, those who agree and those who disagree.

My personal opinion is that sure it's a nice thing to have 1 language that everyone speaks on some level but it has some negative sides to it as well.
People who speak multiple languages but english isn't one of them might get discouraged to say anything now that this is a thing is one negative thing imho and it might result people into leaving the main chat.
Or just promote more active moderators who are from specific countries (mostly Lithuanian) that are more sophisticated to carry out the punishments that people actually deserve and are not too afraid of what would happen if they acted too harshly(remember, Martin is not the main staff manager anymore).

I'd imagine this post is for people who want to suggest things to change the clan chat in order for people not to quit because of the toxicity in the clan chat and i am suggesting this.

Desperate times call from desperate measures, and oh trust me, if you would understand half of what is spoken in Lithuanian in the official clan, you would have suggested this idea a ling time ago.



Yes.

Or the retards could simply take their flaming somewhere else private.
Why would they do that if there are no consequences for talking that way in the official clan chat?

Did you even read what i wrote?

Yes, I did. I dont see promoting more Lithuanians to be an improvement though.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: S Clegane on September 23, 2018, 12:59:15 pm
Why is that?
Main reason is moderating purposes. A lot of the times certain group(s) of people can have a flame wars or harass other player(s) in different language and as a moderator it's hard to do anything in that situation, this is to un-directly tackle that issue.
I do understand that this is a thing that really divides people into two groups, those who agree and those who disagree.

My personal opinion is that sure it's a nice thing to have 1 language that everyone speaks on some level but it has some negative sides to it as well.
People who speak multiple languages but english isn't one of them might get discouraged to say anything now that this is a thing is one negative thing imho and it might result people into leaving the main chat.
Or just promote more active moderators who are from specific countries (mostly Lithuanian) that are more sophisticated to carry out the punishments that people actually deserve and are not too afraid of what would happen if they acted too harshly(remember, Martin is not the main staff manager anymore).

I'd imagine this post is for people who want to suggest things to change the clan chat in order for people not to quit because of the toxicity in the clan chat and i am suggesting this.

Desperate times call from desperate measures, and oh trust me, if you would understand half of what is spoken in Lithuanian in the official clan, you would have suggested this idea a ling time ago.



Yes.

Or the retards could simply take their flaming somewhere else private.
Why would they do that if there are no consequences for talking that way in the official clan chat?

Did you even read what i wrote?

Yes, I did. I dont see promoting more Lithuanians to be an improvement though.
Dear Otto,

We have two stableand amazing moderators from Lithuania and they are doing great work compare to what you just wrote...

He wasn't referring to promoting anybody if you had caught the concept of what he was trying to say... All he said, I venture to guess, was that regardless of country - having moderator from different countries is huge plus instead of making full pledged certain country members of staffs with rule that making English only possible language to communicate with others. Have they thought about those who doesn't get here to speak out their minds out in the way you are used to yourself? Many point out that there is a lot of confusion in community about this language barrier but eliminating it fully isn't best solution you can make.

Like I said before, I was helping with translating trash talking, anything that I could translate for moderator or admin, Anyone can do that if needed. For that, you don't even have to be Staff. So, before you rush out to judgement, I suppose you make your own stand and make yourself sure it is quite opposite than others say - because right now you still seem to bear grudge against any Lithuanians that were/are/will be misusing words from anger point of view. Not sure why though, as hating is only bad for your mental state which possibly effect on your decision here too.

I don't see how language making into universal is solution to everybody else besides the negative fact that it's doomed to seperate those who have English skills(at least minimum) and those who don't, believe me, it will come down to this, no matter how you look at it and if the requirement is fluently speaking/typing/understanding English language here - this way you will clear 1/4 of community quickly and regardless of what I may say, rules are rules - it's not up to players to make them. It's your bet to either make it worse or make it right. As a player, I suppose it will turn against you most likely than it will benefit you. Once there was a Staff wanting to enforce something familiar. Tried and failed.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Martin on September 23, 2018, 03:28:33 pm
Understood
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Gaypride on September 23, 2018, 04:49:51 pm
just use google translate for shit you didn't understand. there are still some people that break this "rule" because some rule on a wall won't stop them, because they can't read. even still taking most of the people out of the comfort zone and if someone did get flamed in cc in another language, report it to a staff-member.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Someone12116 on September 23, 2018, 07:27:08 pm
If talking English in a CC is actually as big of an obstacle as you guys make it to be, maybe you kids should go back to school.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Loop on September 23, 2018, 08:31:52 pm
If talking English in a CC is actually as big of an obstacle as you guys make it to be, maybe you kids should go back to school.
Even though a rule about english only in the cc sounds great in theory, just like communism, it would never work because most players wouldn't even realize such a rule exists and even if they were aware of it, I sincerely do not think the staff would take any serious action against those who would not follow it.

As far as i'm concerned, i'm perfectly capable of communicating only in english, my concern was about the majority of the community, which in fact is indeed Lithuanian, so promoting more Lithuanian moderators is necessary for keeping flaming out of the clan chat.


And oh excuse me, Otto, as far as i know you haven't played the game in years, so you didn't need witness most of the flame wars that were going on in the cc, so your opinion in this matter is really not that valid.
Title: Re: PSA: Officlal Emps-World clan chat rule change
Post by: Jhonson on September 23, 2018, 08:47:50 pm
Even though a rule about english only in the cc sounds great in theory, just like communism, it would never work because most players wouldn't even realize such a rule exists and even if they were aware of it, I sincerely do not think the staff would take any serious action against those who would not follow it.
We already presented the punishments for who ever decides to ignore our warnings. All players will receive a warning before any action is taken, they will be well aware of the rule that we have put in place.

so promoting more Lithuanian moderators is necessary for keeping flaming out of the clan chat.
We look at many factors when promoting players to moderators, we simply won't promote a player because they know a certain language and never will.

This discussion is only turning into an argument between players, I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread.