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Emps-World => General Discussion => Topic started by: Freestuffyay on October 07, 2014, 02:51:42 pm

Title: PvP-Points
Post by: Freestuffyay on October 07, 2014, 02:51:42 pm
Will they return?
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Joshiee on October 07, 2014, 02:57:32 pm
Will they return?
This is something for the Suggestions & Ideas (http://emps-world.net/forum/index.php?board=21.0) Section.

I support this though, I'd like to see them.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Il Pk I on October 07, 2014, 03:05:14 pm
They got removed before the server reopened, I doubt they will be returned.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Freestuffyay on October 07, 2014, 05:41:19 pm
They got removed before the server reopened, I doubt they will be returned.
Why not? I mean it's a simple mechanic and it's pretty fun to collect the points.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Martin on October 08, 2014, 06:21:47 am
Not sure if they will, if they do, certainly not in the old format.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Kaner on October 08, 2014, 08:40:39 am
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: M3an123 on October 08, 2014, 10:45:40 am
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
The reason it's called wilderness, Kane.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Freestuffyay on October 08, 2014, 11:16:10 am
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
The reason it's called wilderness, Kane.
^^^^^^
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Hooor on October 08, 2014, 01:05:43 pm
what can u do with pkp
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Kaner on October 08, 2014, 01:18:44 pm
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
The reason it's called wilderness, Kane.

To just kill people with no reason? Without gear? No honour at all.

Also people would just farm points for bragging rights.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Mary on October 08, 2014, 01:42:25 pm
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
The reason it's called wilderness, Kane.

To just kill people with no reason? Without gear? No honour at all.

Also people would just farm points for bragging rights.
Why don't you ask yourself why highscores exist then? I think there should be a highscore system for pkers so i support the idea to get that pk points system back.
Edit: there could be a mechanism that only rewards points for pvp kills that give loot, to prevent ppl from farming points/killing noobs
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Gold2m on October 08, 2014, 01:44:20 pm
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
The reason it's called wilderness, Kane.

To just kill people with no reason? Without gear? No honour at all.

Also people would just farm points for bragging rights.
Why don't you ask yourself why highscores exist then? I think there should be a highscore system for pkers so i support the idea to get that pk points system back.
Great point, Mary.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Kaner on October 08, 2014, 02:15:51 pm
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
The reason it's called wilderness, Kane.

To just kill people with no reason? Without gear? No honour at all.

Also people would just farm points for bragging rights.
Why don't you ask yourself why highscores exist then? I think there should be a highscore system for pkers so i support the idea to get that pk points system back.
Edit: there could be a mechanism that only rewards points for pvp kills that give loot, to prevent ppl from farming points/killing noobs

I suppose your right, I still believe the wilderness is lacking some honour though.

A system where you get less/more points depending on how many points the other person has would be nice.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: M3an123 on October 08, 2014, 03:11:11 pm
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
The reason it's called wilderness, Kane.

To just kill people with no reason? Without gear? No honour at all.

Also people would just farm points for bragging rights.
Why don't you ask yourself why highscores exist then? I think there should be a highscore system for pkers so i support the idea to get that pk points system back.
Edit: there could be a mechanism that only rewards points for pvp kills that give loot, to prevent ppl from farming points/killing noobs

I suppose your right, I still believe the wilderness is lacking some honour though.

A system where you get less/more points depending on how many points the other person has would be nice.
You enter wilderness, you be ready for the consequences DOT.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Gold2m on October 08, 2014, 03:17:36 pm
I suppose your right, I still believe the wilderness is lacking some honour though.
Honour? Do people keep off the rock while mining if you say "This is my rock, don't touch it"? I doubt that.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Martin on October 08, 2014, 03:24:59 pm
We have discussed it a little, i suggested something like you can get a point from one person once every 10 minutes or so.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Freestuffyay on October 08, 2014, 03:26:37 pm
Another reason for people to just randomly kill you in wildy even if you have no items and you're minding your own business..

No thanks.
The reason it's called wilderness, Kane.

To just kill people with no reason? Without gear? No honour at all.

Also people would just farm points for bragging rights.
Why don't you ask yourself why highscores exist then? I think there should be a highscore system for pkers so i support the idea to get that pk points system back.
Edit: there could be a mechanism that only rewards points for pvp kills that give loot, to prevent ppl from farming points/killing noobs

I suppose your right, I still believe the wilderness is lacking some honour though.

A system where you get less/more points depending on how many points the other person has would be nice.
There is no honour in the wilderniss it's all about killing people nothing else.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Gabol on October 08, 2014, 05:45:22 pm
ofcourse there is honour if a skilled pkers fight. its like  a real fight like spartans :D There is honour and killing normal people is art and honour
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Fate on October 09, 2014, 02:06:10 am
Mary, the pk point system will only be effective if it is encumbered by severe restrictions, for any form of abuse would make it redundant.  The skill-level hiscores CANNOT be unfairly tampered with (except by botting, in which case you receive severe punishment), whereas PvP hiscores can easily be unfairly tampered with.  The difference between the two is enormous.  Sure, they both record progress, but that's where the similarities end.  A PvP system will always be open to being abused for points.

Ekke, please do not compare two scarcely related things.  If you insist to, then at least provide an effective argument to support it.

Yazan, the wilderness is a place for PvP to occur WITH RISK.  It is not a place made to kill people who are spectating fights.  Yes, you obviously can kill them, but no one does because there's no purpose.  If a PvP point system were to come into play, there's a strong chance that spectators will dwindle, which takes a great bit of fun out of pking.


Regarding your point of only receiving points when there is a loot, Mary, friends can easily abuse this.  Some people might even use this as a new way of legally scamming people/friends.

Regarding the point of spectators being killed, perhaps there could be a toggle that one can use (only can be toggled when OUTSIDE the wilderness) that sets your character to either being able to PvP in the wilderness or not -- maybe giving the player an icon to show this has been toggled on/off.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: M3an123 on October 09, 2014, 04:34:26 am
@ Chait, maybe your right in few points, but even when we had the PvP points, none used to kill spectators though. If they EVER will, then it will just add some points to their highscore not more. They won't receive a new nickname or be able to buy an item from a "store".

As far as I said, I wasn't with/against this system but I was telling Kane about the risk you take to enter wilderness. Even without PvP points, people still getting attacked (non-itemers)..!
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: C4 Nerd on October 09, 2014, 05:26:12 am
Nothing against the PvP points :)
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Freestuffyay on October 09, 2014, 07:11:35 am
Mary, the pk point system will only be effective if it is encumbered by severe restrictions, for any form of abuse would make it redundant.  The skill-level hiscores CANNOT be unfairly tampered with (except by botting, in which case you receive severe punishment), whereas PvP hiscores can easily be unfairly tampered with.  The difference between the two is enormous.  Sure, they both record progress, but that's where the similarities end.  A PvP system will always be open to being abused for points.

Ekke, please do not compare two scarcely related things.  If you insist to, then at least provide an effective argument to support it.

Yazan, the wilderness is a place for PvP to occur WITH RISK.  It is not a place made to kill people who are spectating fights.  Yes, you obviously can kill them, but no one does because there's no purpose.  If a PvP point system were to come into play, there's a strong chance that spectators will dwindle, which takes a great bit of fun out of pking.


Regarding your point of only receiving points when there is a loot, Mary, friends can easily abuse this.  Some people might even use this as a new way of legally scamming people/friends.

Regarding the point of spectators being killed, perhaps there could be a toggle that one can use (only can be toggled when OUTSIDE the wilderness) that sets your character to either being able to PvP in the wilderness or not -- maybe giving the player an icon to show this has been toggled on/off.
I don't remember ever killing someone watching a fight just for the sake of PvP points.
And about the toggle on/off thing I completely disagree the wilderniss should be a dangerous place wether or not you have items on you there should NOT be a safe option like this.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Joshiee on October 09, 2014, 09:50:51 am
Regarding the point of spectators being killed, perhaps there could be a toggle that one can use (only can be toggled when OUTSIDE the wilderness) that sets your character to either being able to PvP in the wilderness or not -- maybe giving the player an icon to show this has been toggled on/off.
I am strongly for this suggestion. However, we have to consider people abusing this also when going to the Ghost Captain which is a perfect spot where 'TBers' and other Pkers get a decent loot for effortless work.
This Toggle should only be activated when someone is holding less than 3 items or no items at all.
Title: Re: PvP-Points
Post by: Rock Gyo on October 10, 2014, 09:38:10 pm
They are not coming back.