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Offline Thomy

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Player Survey
« on: November 12, 2014, 06:23:33 pm »
Hi,

I'm posting this thread to ask everybody a question. Please be honest and appropriate. Also try to be objective and not to be emotional about losing items in the past.

Lately, we were wondering what caused the decline in Emps-World. We've lost on average 60 players a day. The statistics currently show an average online player count of 160 players. Two weeks ago this value was at 220! (Averaged over 24 hours)

The reason for this thread is simple, I want to find out why so many people have left Emps-World over the past 2 weeks. We've made up some theories:
  • The new openGL client was too complicated to download in the first week. Thus some people couldn't get it to load and quit the game for good.
  • Double XP and free member was disabled.
  • The new client is lagging for some people? I cannot confirm this, it's just a theory!
  • Being stuck ingame + the update of an afk kicker might also have had an impact.

I hope to receive some honest feedback. If you're enjoying the changes that we've maded lately, also let us know this. Feedback is always important, no matter if it's negative or positive. It gives us the option to make a change.

All the best,
Thomy
« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 07:02:16 pm by Thomy »

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 07:07:25 pm »
The double xp and Member would've been a reason for me to leave.

Reason:
In the past(talking about Emps-Scape) we barely had free member and double  xp. So, basically I made my acc maxed with the normal rate of xp and with my own bought member rings. Now everybody was/is able to get 99's that fast that it became frustrating for those who put their time and effort in the game to get maxed by the normal way.



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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 07:08:27 pm »
   i would say its due double exp and free member + the fact people got stuck for a week or 2 before they got help. Which made them quit

Also lack of events made it even more boring to some people.

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 07:10:16 pm »
To be clear. Combat system was shit. For some items it is still.

At the best time of server's activity. 0 main players pking. It's like rare to find pkers..
« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 07:33:18 pm by M3an123 »

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 07:10:32 pm »
The price.... price doest make sens like all the 3rd age now 10m.... that's ugly

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2014, 07:11:35 pm »
The double xp and Member would've been a reason for me to leave.

Reason:
In the past(talking about Emps-Scape) we barely had free member and double  xp. So, basically I made my acc maxed with the normal rate of xp and with my own bought member rings. Now everybody was/is able to get 99's that fast that it became frustrating for those who put their time and effort in the game to get maxed by the normal way.
I believe most of the old players with good skills are still here (the ones who started playing it again). I'd say the people who quit because of it are rather the people who were too comforted with the double xp and member weekends.

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 07:12:22 pm »
TBH double XP is good but. why not then just ::herblore level 99. i think main reason is ppl getting bugged and loosing all their items, they play 1 month to get items and then Random bugg they cant move and they die and loose all. I personaly think main reason is Loosing items due bug... Also Show some love to Old players who have been with you since 2006-2013...

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 07:14:05 pm »
I really love the new changes. There are a few bugs but they are fixable.

Okay. For the leaving part. A lot of people are saying they die because of lag and they are unable to get their items back and therefore leave. A lot of players don't know how and where to search for help and then start complaining when they PM a mod/admin and they don't answer. Wouldn't hurt to show a message in the chat  about things to do when you need help.
Also there's always the stakers/PKers who bet all their bank on one match, lose and then quit.
People are complaining about empty wildy. Makes some PKers play a lot less.
People have nothing to do because there are no new goals to go for. A few new monsters/drops would be nice.

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 07:14:13 pm »
I really think the decrease in players is because of the unbalanced combat system.

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 07:19:22 pm »
I have been resetted, banned and lost my stats due to my own stupid action in past.
I levelled up all my stats with normal xp rates, now you got this double xp all the time.
The stats i had on anvary and avenus after the reset is all made on double xp in probably 2 weekends together.
I never got back the stats were i was nearly maxed, and i cant be bothered levelling up
my life work again... There is nearly no pkers, there should be more dh sets ingame.
Pvm'ing should be fun and a great way to get some cash, we used to have some big events with you
once the al-kharid wilderness opened and killed kree'ara whom was really fun.

The economic is all screwed up after the eco reset.
You got one guy with 100 dfs+, 100whips+, 50 z spear + 50 d claws + Max cash 20 bandos sets
all ags ingame and more profitable items. And then another one who just started the game that cant do anything.
The economic is not developing, its just getting worse day by day.
People feel they have to stake to make a bank, they get cleaned and they just rage quit. Its like a bermuda triangle

The economy tilted when emps was ending anyways, and atleast at the time when you guys banned roy jones for having all oldschools ingame.
But having the staff manager go stake the richest guy ingame A FULL SET of oldschools and losing it doesnt help on anything.

I can agree that i love the openGL client, i still havent been stuck ingame.

But in general i think people quit because they either didnt get their accounts/stats back or the economy
In 1,5 year ++ there is a big possibility you got both a new computer and internet provider. Would suck not to get their account back.
And then you got those people like me who is stuck with the stats.

Drop party's like we had today just makes people frustrated, drop item then pick it up and keep changing location.
Its all a mess.

But i would say the biggest factor ingame is the Economy and the combat system.
I have no clue what happened but i dont like it. I liked emps the way it used to be, cause it was unique it wasnt like
any other rsps i had ever tried and left. But i know aswell people will cry if we dont adapt to the time, they want to see updates.

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Do one thing bad, they're gone.

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 07:22:00 pm »
Totally agree with avenus ^

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 07:24:11 pm »
I have been resetted, banned and lost my stats due to my own stupid action in past.
I levelled up all my stats with normal xp rates, now you got this double xp all the time.
The stats i had on anvary and avenus after the reset is all made on double xp in probably 2 weekends together.
I never got back the stats were i was nearly maxed, and i cant be bothered levelling up
my life work again... There is nearly no pkers, there should be more dh sets ingame.
Pvm'ing should be fun and a great way to get some cash, we used to have some big events with you
once the al-kharid wilderness opened and killed kree'ara whom was really fun.

The economic is all screwed up after the eco reset.
You got one guy with 100 dfs+, 100whips+, 50 z spear + 50 d claws + Max cash 20 bandos sets
all ags ingame and more profitable items. And then another one who just started the game that cant do anything.
The economic is not developing, its just getting worse day by day.
People feel they have to stake to make a bank, they get cleaned and they just rage quit. Its like a bermuda triangle

The economy tilted when emps was ending anyways, and atleast at the time when you guys banned roy jones for having all oldschools ingame.
But having the staff manager go stake the richest guy ingame A FULL SET of oldschools and losing it doesnt help on anything.

I can agree that i love the openGL client, i still havent been stuck ingame.

But in general i think people quit because they either didnt get their accounts/stats back or the economy
In 1,5 year ++ there is a big possibility you got both a new computer and internet provider. Would suck not to get their account back.
And then you got those people like me who is stuck with the stats.

Drop party's like we had today just makes people frustrated, drop item then pick it up and keep changing location.
Its all a mess.

But i would say the biggest factor ingame is the Economy and the combat system.
I have no clue what happened but i dont like it. I liked emps the way it used to be, cause it was unique it wasnt like
any other rsps i had ever tried and left. But i know aswell people will cry if we dont adapt to the time, they want to see updates.

Do one thing good, they forget.
Do one thing bad, they're gone.
Wouldn't say any other word on that.

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2014, 07:32:14 pm »
i don't know about other players but i was frustrated more than once and was about to quit for more than one reason. lets see..

1) the update of the gwd bosses was a big hit to my plans to make good bank after i invested hundreds of millions investing in supplies (pretty personal reason, yes i know) could have been prevented if you made an announcement of your intentions .

2)economy got more than one hit that made the situation really ridiculous like when you see any noob wearing 3rd age and zs for example.

3)the new client was the main reason in my opinion because it contained so many major and minor bugs that caused most of the players to get in some really bad situations.

4) double exp weekends had a great effect on economy and especially skillers who depend on potion making to get money.and of course it got really boring because it took place for a very long time. (dxp is not a joke).

5) one reason that might cause me to quit is that the game has no new pvm content (i mean bosses not monsters like revenants)

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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2014, 07:37:21 pm »
I've never been bothered by any Emps update - IMO, everything you did was right.

-The OpenGL client is great and I really like it, some of the people did quit when the client was changed but ofcourse its not the main reason of them quitting, because no person who likes the game would leave cause of a client change.
-The double xp and free membership isn't really that necessary for me, I dont know if it was that important and fun for some people..
-I barely lagg with the new client, its much better than the old one - when you disconnect in combat, you logg off immediately which saved me from losing my bank.

I think that a lot of the players quit because of losing their bank in staking, and its not because of any of the updates.
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Re: Player Survey
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2014, 07:40:36 pm »
I've never been bothered by any Emps update - IMO, everything you did was right.

-The OpenGL client is great and I really like it, some of the people did quit when the client was changed but ofcourse its not the main reason of them quitting, because no person who likes the game would leave cause of a client change.
-The double xp and free membership isn't really that necessary for me, I dont know if it was that important and fun for some people..
-I barely lagg with the new client, its much better than the old one - when you disconnect in combat, you logg off immediately which saved me from losing my bank.

I think that a lot of the players quit because of losing their bank in staking, and its not because of any of the updates.

Just because you havent bothered doesnt mean anyone hasnt been bothered, because obviously player count is falling day by day.
I have been in duel arena pretty much every day since the game came back, and i can tell for sure.
There is not 60 different people here everyday that come stake and quit.
Its more or less the same names you see everday. One day they stake 50k another they 500m.

And yeah the client is way better, but people with potatoe computers and potatoe graphic card will it just be worse for.
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