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Emps-World => General Discussion => Topic started by: Thomy on November 12, 2014, 06:23:33 pm
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Hi,
I'm posting this thread to ask everybody a question. Please be honest and appropriate. Also try to be objective and not to be emotional about losing items in the past.
Lately, we were wondering what caused the decline in Emps-World. We've lost on average 60 players a day. The statistics currently show an average online player count of 160 players. Two weeks ago this value was at 220! (Averaged over 24 hours)
The reason for this thread is simple, I want to find out why so many people have left Emps-World over the past 2 weeks. We've made up some theories:- The new openGL client was too complicated to download in the first week. Thus some people couldn't get it to load and quit the game for good.
- Double XP and free member was disabled.
- The new client is lagging for some people? I cannot confirm this, it's just a theory!
- Being stuck ingame + the update of an afk kicker might also have had an impact.
I hope to receive some honest feedback. If you're enjoying the changes that we've maded lately, also let us know this. Feedback is always important, no matter if it's negative or positive. It gives us the option to make a change.
All the best,
Thomy
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The double xp and Member would've been a reason for me to leave.
Reason:
In the past(talking about Emps-Scape) we barely had free member and double xp. So, basically I made my acc maxed with the normal rate of xp and with my own bought member rings. Now everybody was/is able to get 99's that fast that it became frustrating for those who put their time and effort in the game to get maxed by the normal way.
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i would say its due double exp and free member + the fact people got stuck for a week or 2 before they got help. Which made them quit
Also lack of events made it even more boring to some people.
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To be clear. Combat system was shit. For some items it is still.
At the best time of server's activity. 0 main players pking. It's like rare to find pkers..
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The price.... price doest make sens like all the 3rd age now 10m.... that's ugly
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The double xp and Member would've been a reason for me to leave.
Reason:
In the past(talking about Emps-Scape) we barely had free member and double xp. So, basically I made my acc maxed with the normal rate of xp and with my own bought member rings. Now everybody was/is able to get 99's that fast that it became frustrating for those who put their time and effort in the game to get maxed by the normal way.
I believe most of the old players with good skills are still here (the ones who started playing it again). I'd say the people who quit because of it are rather the people who were too comforted with the double xp and member weekends.
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TBH double XP is good but. why not then just ::herblore level 99. i think main reason is ppl getting bugged and loosing all their items, they play 1 month to get items and then Random bugg they cant move and they die and loose all. I personaly think main reason is Loosing items due bug... Also Show some love to Old players who have been with you since 2006-2013...
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I really love the new changes. There are a few bugs but they are fixable.
Okay. For the leaving part. A lot of people are saying they die because of lag and they are unable to get their items back and therefore leave. A lot of players don't know how and where to search for help and then start complaining when they PM a mod/admin and they don't answer. Wouldn't hurt to show a message in the chat about things to do when you need help.
Also there's always the stakers/PKers who bet all their bank on one match, lose and then quit.
People are complaining about empty wildy. Makes some PKers play a lot less.
People have nothing to do because there are no new goals to go for. A few new monsters/drops would be nice.
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I really think the decrease in players is because of the unbalanced combat system.
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I have been resetted, banned and lost my stats due to my own stupid action in past.
I levelled up all my stats with normal xp rates, now you got this double xp all the time.
The stats i had on anvary and avenus after the reset is all made on double xp in probably 2 weekends together.
I never got back the stats were i was nearly maxed, and i cant be bothered levelling up
my life work again... There is nearly no pkers, there should be more dh sets ingame.
Pvm'ing should be fun and a great way to get some cash, we used to have some big events with you
once the al-kharid wilderness opened and killed kree'ara whom was really fun.
The economic is all screwed up after the eco reset.
You got one guy with 100 dfs+, 100whips+, 50 z spear + 50 d claws + Max cash 20 bandos sets
all ags ingame and more profitable items. And then another one who just started the game that cant do anything.
The economic is not developing, its just getting worse day by day.
People feel they have to stake to make a bank, they get cleaned and they just rage quit. Its like a bermuda triangle
The economy tilted when emps was ending anyways, and atleast at the time when you guys banned roy jones for having all oldschools ingame.
But having the staff manager go stake the richest guy ingame A FULL SET of oldschools and losing it doesnt help on anything.
I can agree that i love the openGL client, i still havent been stuck ingame.
But in general i think people quit because they either didnt get their accounts/stats back or the economy
In 1,5 year ++ there is a big possibility you got both a new computer and internet provider. Would suck not to get their account back.
And then you got those people like me who is stuck with the stats.
Drop party's like we had today just makes people frustrated, drop item then pick it up and keep changing location.
Its all a mess.
But i would say the biggest factor ingame is the Economy and the combat system.
I have no clue what happened but i dont like it. I liked emps the way it used to be, cause it was unique it wasnt like
any other rsps i had ever tried and left. But i know aswell people will cry if we dont adapt to the time, they want to see updates.
Do one thing good, they forget.
Do one thing bad, they're gone.
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Totally agree with avenus ^
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I have been resetted, banned and lost my stats due to my own stupid action in past.
I levelled up all my stats with normal xp rates, now you got this double xp all the time.
The stats i had on anvary and avenus after the reset is all made on double xp in probably 2 weekends together.
I never got back the stats were i was nearly maxed, and i cant be bothered levelling up
my life work again... There is nearly no pkers, there should be more dh sets ingame.
Pvm'ing should be fun and a great way to get some cash, we used to have some big events with you
once the al-kharid wilderness opened and killed kree'ara whom was really fun.
The economic is all screwed up after the eco reset.
You got one guy with 100 dfs+, 100whips+, 50 z spear + 50 d claws + Max cash 20 bandos sets
all ags ingame and more profitable items. And then another one who just started the game that cant do anything.
The economic is not developing, its just getting worse day by day.
People feel they have to stake to make a bank, they get cleaned and they just rage quit. Its like a bermuda triangle
The economy tilted when emps was ending anyways, and atleast at the time when you guys banned roy jones for having all oldschools ingame.
But having the staff manager go stake the richest guy ingame A FULL SET of oldschools and losing it doesnt help on anything.
I can agree that i love the openGL client, i still havent been stuck ingame.
But in general i think people quit because they either didnt get their accounts/stats back or the economy
In 1,5 year ++ there is a big possibility you got both a new computer and internet provider. Would suck not to get their account back.
And then you got those people like me who is stuck with the stats.
Drop party's like we had today just makes people frustrated, drop item then pick it up and keep changing location.
Its all a mess.
But i would say the biggest factor ingame is the Economy and the combat system.
I have no clue what happened but i dont like it. I liked emps the way it used to be, cause it was unique it wasnt like
any other rsps i had ever tried and left. But i know aswell people will cry if we dont adapt to the time, they want to see updates.
Do one thing good, they forget.
Do one thing bad, they're gone.
Wouldn't say any other word on that.
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i don't know about other players but i was frustrated more than once and was about to quit for more than one reason. lets see..
1) the update of the gwd bosses was a big hit to my plans to make good bank after i invested hundreds of millions investing in supplies (pretty personal reason, yes i know) could have been prevented if you made an announcement of your intentions .
2)economy got more than one hit that made the situation really ridiculous like when you see any noob wearing 3rd age and zs for example.
3)the new client was the main reason in my opinion because it contained so many major and minor bugs that caused most of the players to get in some really bad situations.
4) double exp weekends had a great effect on economy and especially skillers who depend on potion making to get money.and of course it got really boring because it took place for a very long time. (dxp is not a joke).
5) one reason that might cause me to quit is that the game has no new pvm content (i mean bosses not monsters like revenants)
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I've never been bothered by any Emps update - IMO, everything you did was right.
-The OpenGL client is great and I really like it, some of the people did quit when the client was changed but ofcourse its not the main reason of them quitting, because no person who likes the game would leave cause of a client change.
-The double xp and free membership isn't really that necessary for me, I dont know if it was that important and fun for some people..
-I barely lagg with the new client, its much better than the old one - when you disconnect in combat, you logg off immediately which saved me from losing my bank.
I think that a lot of the players quit because of losing their bank in staking, and its not because of any of the updates.
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I've never been bothered by any Emps update - IMO, everything you did was right.
-The OpenGL client is great and I really like it, some of the people did quit when the client was changed but ofcourse its not the main reason of them quitting, because no person who likes the game would leave cause of a client change.
-The double xp and free membership isn't really that necessary for me, I dont know if it was that important and fun for some people..
-I barely lagg with the new client, its much better than the old one - when you disconnect in combat, you logg off immediately which saved me from losing my bank.
I think that a lot of the players quit because of losing their bank in staking, and its not because of any of the updates.
Just because you havent bothered doesnt mean anyone hasnt been bothered, because obviously player count is falling day by day.
I have been in duel arena pretty much every day since the game came back, and i can tell for sure.
There is not 60 different people here everyday that come stake and quit.
Its more or less the same names you see everday. One day they stake 50k another they 500m.
And yeah the client is way better, but people with potatoe computers and potatoe graphic card will it just be worse for.
Reason;unkown.
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Haven't read those long ass replies, so i don't know if i repeat someones ideas already.. But i think that players came to emps-SCAPE for old graphics.. Every update you bring to us makes emps-world more and more similiar to other private servers. It is not unique anymore.
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i know that some players want old school graphics… it was one of the main reasons why they played emps
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Thanks for the feedback so far! :)
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I'm pretty sure a ton of our playerbase is focused solely on the double xp and double membership, and that's why they only get on during those days. You spoiled them too much, thomy.
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I'm pretty sure a ton of our playerbase is focused solely on the double xp and double membership, and that's why they only get on during those days. You spoiled them too much, thomy.
Many players also disagree with the double xp.. So it's kinda contradictionary. People quit because there is double xp, people quit because there isn't double xp..
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Personally i quit due the new graphics , 50% of Emps-Scape Players has quit because the new graphics , I'm a java programmer and I know very well what makes ppl bored and what makes the server full of pleasure , and the main reason that makes me and other players quit is the fuckin bad , ugly , graphics.
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I also hated the combat system... But still now when I love pking with magic a lot and magic sucks atm so play much less than I should. Also double exp and member have had it's impact for all of us. I think that may be a reason why so many people have left emps-world.
Also new client lags like hell, maybe it's just my toaster that can't run this client properly but that might also be one of the reasons. It's buggy and causes to dc and lose items in that way. I almost died at miths because of a lag but I think that was my own fault. Yea to sum it up, I think client lag and dc-s and stuff are still problematic.
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The old emps community grew up , got a job and started doing adult things.(mike scrob married)
I think that's the main reason, this server needs advertisement since the old playerbase has quit and there isn't a new income of players.
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I've never been bothered by any Emps update - IMO, everything you did was right.
-The OpenGL client is great and I really like it, some of the people did quit when the client was changed but ofcourse its not the main reason of them quitting, because no person who likes the game would leave cause of a client change.
-The double xp and free membership isn't really that necessary for me, I dont know if it was that important and fun for some people..
-I barely lagg with the new client, its much better than the old one - when you disconnect in combat, you logg off immediately which saved me from losing my bank.
I think that a lot of the players quit because of losing their bank in staking, and its not because of any of the updates.
Just because you havent bothered doesnt mean anyone hasnt been bothered, because obviously player count is falling day by day.
I have been in duel arena pretty much every day since the game came back, and i can tell for sure.
There is not 60 different people here everyday that come stake and quit.
Its more or less the same names you see everday. One day they stake 50k another they 500m.
And yeah the client is way better, but people with potatoe computers and potatoe graphic card will it just be worse for.
Reason;unkown.
I wasn't talking about everyone, I was talking about myself - because its a single player survey..
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I've never been bothered by any Emps update - IMO, everything you did was right.
-The OpenGL client is great and I really like it, some of the people did quit when the client was changed but ofcourse its not the main reason of them quitting, because no person who likes the game would leave cause of a client change.
-The double xp and free membership isn't really that necessary for me, I dont know if it was that important and fun for some people..
-I barely lagg with the new client, its much better than the old one - when you disconnect in combat, you logg off immediately which saved me from losing my bank.
I think that a lot of the players quit because of losing their bank in staking, and its not because of any of the updates.
Just because you havent bothered doesnt mean anyone hasnt been bothered, because obviously player count is falling day by day.
I have been in duel arena pretty much every day since the game came back, and i can tell for sure.
There is not 60 different people here everyday that come stake and quit.
Its more or less the same names you see everday. One day they stake 50k another they 500m.
And yeah the client is way better, but people with potatoe computers and potatoe graphic card will it just be worse for.
Reason;unkown.
I wasn't talking about everyone, I was talking about myself - because its a single player survey..
It indeed was, just gave you the answer on your last sentence there :)
Then i just filled in some more random bullshit to make it look good
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The old emps community grew up , got a job and started doing adult things.(mike scrob married)
I think that's the main reason, this server needs advertisement since the old playerbase has quit and there isn't a new income of players.
I don't think thats entirely true...
I played back in 2009 (?). I'm 22 years old now, got a girlfriend, got my own house and a full-time dayjob.
And I still like to play Emps.
But I do agree on the advertisement part...
Emps-world should really do some more effort on advertising.
Also the double-XP thing is like a drug...
People get addicted to it and hate it when it's turned off because they get used to it.
Make it a special event, like once a month but make sure to advertise the double-xp weekend date on the homepage.
This way you'll attract people and get huge number online in that specific weekend.
Also the economy will evolve, because everyone will be buying resources and will get ready for the double-XP weekend.
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i really like douple xp but you should only keep it on every other weekend. don't just put it on just randomly on middle of the week.
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The old emps community grew up , got a job and started doing adult things.(mike scrob married)
I think that's the main reason, this server needs advertisement since the old playerbase has quit and there isn't a new income of players.
I don't think thats entirely true...
I played back in 2009 (?). I'm 22 years old now, got a girlfriend, got my own house and a full-time dayjob.
And I still like to play Emps.
But I do agree on the advertisement part...
Emps-world should really do some more effort on advertising.
Also the double-XP thing is like a drug...
People get addicted to it and hate it when it's turned off because they get used to it.
Make it a special event, like once a month but make sure to advertise the double-xp weekend date on the homepage.
This way you'll attract people and get huge number online in that specific weekend.
Also the economy will evolve, because everyone will be buying resources and will get ready for the double-XP weekend.
most of the people quit gaming when they grow up, especially rspses, not saying that adults are not allowezd to play em, just saying that the player count decreases
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Hi,
I'm posting this thread to ask everybody a question. Please be honest and appropriate. Also try to be objective and not to be emotional about losing items in the past.
Lately, we were wondering what caused the decline in Emps-World. We've lost on average 60 players a day. The statistics currently show an average online player count of 160 players. Two weeks ago this value was at 220! (Averaged over 24 hours)
The reason for this thread is simple, I want to find out why so many people have left Emps-World over the past 2 weeks. We've made up some theories:- The new openGL client was too complicated to download in the first week. Thus some people couldn't get it to load and quit the game for good.
- Double XP and free member was disabled.
- The new client is lagging for some people? I cannot confirm this, it's just a theory!
- Being stuck ingame + the update of an afk kicker might also have had an impact.
I hope to receive some honest feedback. If you're enjoying the changes that we've maded lately, also let us know this. Feedback is always important, no matter if it's negative or positive. It gives us the option to make a change.
All the best,
Thomy
I asked from a mod why every1 is quiting and why emps dying he said, "lol we are only growing" why he lied into my face? and i quited aswell right now, not that game what i used to play
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I'm pretty sure a ton of our playerbase is focused solely on the double xp and double membership, and that's why they only get on during those days. You spoiled them too much, thomy.
Many players also disagree with the double xp.. So it's kinda contradictionary. People quit because there is double xp, people quit because there isn't double xp..
if it wasn't there in the first place, the situation would not have risen, would it?
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Alright here's the thing:
To be honest things changed a lot, it might be fun for few and it might be sad for others, People came here just for one reason to have fun, They don't found it anymore so they probably quit,
Making cash isn't that easy, It might be but you have to spend a lot of hours to make cash, There isn't that many players who is looking for what others making from skills, For example the common way to make cash without risking is skilling, Which most of the players do, but when it's hard to sell what they already spent hours in collecting takes more time to sell, This might be sad, and probably they will sell it for cheap price just to get some cash, Which means It's a bad way to make cash from skilling, Because as i already said above, It's not that easy to sell (mantas - herbs - woods etc) and when they do, They sell it for cheap price
Moreover since as said skilling is boring/none profitable, The next thing that who ever playing will think about making cash from mini games which it's already dead, Less people who joins the mini games, another way to make money will not work out.
So players goes to staking, which it's the fastest way to make cash, and they having fun from it, So it's simple that you choose to walk the easy way, instead of walking the hard one.
After they lose they will probably quit, OR in other words there's no more fun in this game.
Just a note: If you go to falador for 5 mins, just take a look for how many players is buying items and how many players selling items You will see 50/2 players who's selling items and less people who's buying items, Everyone looking for cash and There isn't that much cash in game, because when Emps world started the only source of getting cash was selling random items to the shops.
The main point of all this, Just to tell one thing, This game has no fun anymore.
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Everybody really is blind to what is really happening in the game.
There is too much high level content and low level content is lacking a long with one major important part that fits everything all together: mid-level content.
If there was stuff for everyone to do to make money, f2p and p2p players would be more comfortable with interacting with eachother and actually have fun with the game. There's too much of a sense of losing things, there's no real fun anymore because the game is becoming gradually more serious in experience, and in content. Yes it's more professional but most people play rsps for fun and the thrill of the over used term nostalgia. There has to be fun, doing the same events for items also gets boring, especially for items or money you're like what do i do now? What's exciting to do? How can i make a lot of cash with this new wealth? Oh how about staking or pking, the risk is what people look for now because it's exciting. But because of that people lose and everything they earned is gone and then they quit, if there were methods and mid-level to make money or do things that pay decent and require less work, we would have that balanced game.
It's honestly sad seeing level 121's with dragon chains and adamant boots.
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Make Slayer available for F2P players as well and this game will never die, no kidding. There is really nothing to do if you are a free player. The minigames are dead, available bosses are meh and only basic skills can be trained. The only things left to do are staking and PKing, and people tend to quit after losing their banks.
Also, what Zack said above me.
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Hey Thomy, glad to see you're reaching out.
I believe a lot of players are quitting due to realizing that it will take them too long to rebuild their banks from the old Emps-Scape.
I personally am unactive at times due to not being into these styles of games anymore, but I believe the game is going well.
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i think some people quit because when game was realeased they got items like 3rd and bandos items and then came reverant update which totally screwed them over and then buff, f torso and make bandos go from 110m -> 50m so yes this is my positive answer why some, of players get mad at thomy while thomy trying to cheer them up ! stay awesome u all
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It's honestly sad seeing level 121's with dragon chains and adamant boots.
The bank wipe causes this, also you cannot earn cash with skilling as many players try because nobody has a bank that can afford skilling anymore (this was pretty balanced in emps scape)
Thus everyone is stuck with resources they can't sell, and no cash to buy actual items (and nobody will buy the resources off them as nobody has cash, its a really degrading process that can only be reverted very slowly)
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It's honestly sad seeing level 121's with dragon chains and adamant boots.
The bank wipe causes this, also you cannot earn cash with skilling as many players try because nobody has a bank that can afford skilling anymore (this was pretty balanced in emps scape)
Thus everyone is stuck with resources they can't sell, and no cash to buy actual items (and nobody will buy the resources off them as nobody has cash, its a really degrading process that can only be reverted very slowly)
Since we have clan chats, i think lootshare and coinshare options would really help introduce more cash, but there's no g.e so somebody would be responsible for prices being constantly updated. That would solve the cash issue.
@Mary I'm referring to emps before the shut down, this issue has been around for years.
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I really do agree with Otto and Zack on this one. The game is lacking of mid-level content.
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Hey Who ever is reading this!
I think its like what most players say. the 3rd age price dropped way to mutch for some people.
the graphics fucked over alot of player with potato computers like my self, i fixed it tho.
I do belive that u should focus on advertising abit more Thomy, its needed to get new players Visiting emps every day.
And the D claws, i hear many in pk hate them because they are so strong and they can almost 1 hit every one.
and i belive many has quit because they lost their banks being rushed by d clawers or loosing d claws. wich has affected pk a great deal! and i hope u take this in concideration.
I personally dont mind it but it might need a little nerf. (hint hint)
+ the Graffic changes, i dont think most players want it to change to much from the old emps graffic! i personally preffer the old emps client alot better.
And i do belive it way to hard for the beginners to make bank when they only get 1k starter bonus, they can atleast get 10k!
By the way U have done a great job tho thomy dont take this the wrong way, dont wanna sound to negative here. So keep trying Thomy i belive that you can fix what ever is wrong! :P (Keep up the good work, and thanks for reaching out to us Players)
-CallmeSenpai- out
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I feel as if it was due to the new client being quite complicated to download. People wouldn't have quit due to the decrease in member weekends and double XP. After all, you cannot be dependent upon these every week, it'll just spoil the game.
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I feel as if it was due to the new client being quite complicated to download. People wouldn't have quit due to the decrease in member weekends and double XP. After all, you cannot be dependent upon these every week, it'll just spoil the game.
I would take away double xp weekends and start doing like an item that grants double exp for a certain amount, new item, new content and something people can work towards to get instead of it being free, rs does it and it worked out great.
Btw, the client issues can be fixed but the game needs balance in a lot of fields.
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There's a few reasons,
- One the combat system was terrible when this first came out. People made up there minds to fast about things and basically assumed No Pking = Quit.
- The fact that everyone started off with the same exact stats meant that for the majority of players the primary goal of the game was just to make bank, which didn't take so long especially after the extremely high drop rates when this first started which meant that the majority of players just got bored ( myself included ) there was a lack of events and simply there was nothing to aim for in the game. Old Schools used to be the motivation for players back in the day but there was no old Schools, No events and the most expensive item was like 150m which was the Rod of Ivandis or AGS which wasn't even that hard to get.
- The double XP weekends was a big motivation for people. The whole reason people in general play RSPS from my opinion is either of the two reasons, one they don't want to pay for membership in Runescape, or to It's to slow to train in Runescape so they come here to do things quickly and enjoy themselves. That's the cold truth, and I know this because I've had countless amount of people tell me this. Although personally I am against the whole free member and double xp weekends, I think that that is a huge driving factor.
- I don't think it's to do with the client because if a person is able to download it once, they can download it again. But the graphics is a big factor I'm not going to lie. I have tried numerous times to get mates to play this game, and they simply won't due to the graphics.
- What I've noticed as well is there not enough, idk how to put it but there's a really lack of team events. If you remember back in the day castle wars used to be really fun because it required a team to work together to kill the bosses. Now you just capture a flag which almost feels like one man for himself. The OLD JAD where you had to get a team together and do 10 waves of JAD was a lot more fun than sitting for 3 hours camping in one spot with a bow, by yourself trying to get a fire cape.
To me personally, it almost feels like Emps is beginning to turn into a mock up of the phase Runescape was going through back in the day and maybe even still now, and in that sense I mean its to heavily focused on these big "Glorious" updates, rather than pleasing players. I fully understand how difficult it is to convince the players of emps-world about an idea as I've seen the way polls have turned out about updates in the forums, but at the same time it all comes down to the simple reason, that people want everything to work simply, efficiently and lastly enjoy themselves, and lately this just doesn't seem like it's the case.
You wanted Our opinion, this is mine. I don't mean to sound negative in any of the statements I've said, I'm just trying to highlight what I think is important.
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The people that are leaving are noobs that dont know how to play u cannot depend on double xp or anything free u have to work hard and thats how its always been get merching get skilling get staking get pking theres so many ways to make money in the begining. then u have fun with your money and friends . But i accept that there isint enough minigames there all dead and that somestuff are not priced correctly but thats part of the game live with it . It will probably get sorted out one big thing that should be change is 3rd age it should be avatars dropping the price went down 2 low and bandos armor 2 and many other important items. emps world is like that its challenging and it will always be like that plz go a head and quite if your not happy with that all high levels deal with it evryone had to restart there banks
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Here's some:
1. Lack of new players.
2. Lack of staff(even though theres plenty) who even help new AND old players.
3. Emps is starting to turn out like another runescape and its other private servers.
4. Bank wipe(I am 95% sure this is the reason old players do not come back).
5. The community is full of jerks.
6. Lack of advertising old players to come back and for new players to come play.
7. Wilderness and pking is dead(This is another big reason), same people pking everyday.
8. People care more about grinding up to lvl 99 than actually leveling because it is fun.
9. (similar to the above statement) People only wait for double xp to grind.
10. (similar to the bank wipes) Old players logging back in to find nothing in the banks.
11. People do not like the updates that make it more and more like runescape.(Make emps unique).
12. Kolodin should come back(Just my opinion, ignore this).
13. People log on to stake and get cleaned and dont play again.
14. The new client issue (should have been complete with no bugs when added to replace old client)
15. Really rich players pressure not so rich players to stake (trust me I've seen this).
16. Old players are jerks to new players.
17. Staff members(not all of them) seem to be randomly selected.
18. Thomy and Arc need to be more online to mingle with the community.(suggestion)
19. Too many disconnections, laggs, bugged players who die and cannot get their items back.
20. Member rings should be 45 days again not 30.( my opinion again plz ignore).
21. Thomy needs to have more pulls on the updates he puts in.
22. The reason for so many people to only stake? Because their banks have been wiped and they do not want to go through all the effort and time to getting it again, so they just stake in hopes of getting their old banks back.
23. People are playing League of Legends, Dota, other games.
24. Many players' computer handle low graphics better. Not everyone has current updated systems.
25. Skilling and making no profit spending countless hours skilling, and then trying to sell it and have a hard time selling it and then sell for very cheap, only to make enough money to fix the ahrims hood that you died with when you dced at wyrm or something, and then after fixing it, trying to sell it to the eco, only to find no one wants it, and so you sell it for very cheap just to make some cash, only to use that cash to do nothing and so you must use it on skilling, only to repeat the cycle because you have no idea what to do.
26. Updating new things in game only to make it more advanced, but doesnt suit the wants or needs of the players.
Myths of why emps is dying( my opinions on people's opinions ).
1. Emps is not dying because of the easy drops and the eco being messed up with dfs being 1m each and 3rd age being 50m cheap. So people quit because they are too easy to get? People know they will get reduced drop rates, hence the updates.
2. Emps is not dying because of there is too little things for f2p players to do. I'm a member and I'm still bored.
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27. Old players cannot get their old accounts back too, i forgot that one.
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Hey All
Ok im gona try to say this without blaberring on.
Thomy I think mostly everyone I are generally always excited about the updates. Not down about them
I think its seems too easy to get high levels.. I think it should be a bit more challenging, don't you?
I think gaining levs should be more challenging and take more time.
Open gl took some time for me at first but didn't quit over it.
Game shutting down because of updates dont bother me.
Emps is still as fun as before. but a bit too nerfed
I didnt want to mention this, but maybe George quitting had an impact on some players too :(
This is my feedback and I still play emps, :D
Thank you
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Hi,
Veterans still play, but the problems are:
Empty wild
Not so helpful administration....
Not enough monsters
Not enough drops
No cluesrolls
Idk about the double xp, but the skills should be maxed a bit faster.
So overall more items and more monsters would make the game fun!!!
Bad Fight
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Well, i had over 20+ friends on emps-world that quited, the reason they quited was because they want the oldschool client back. Almost everyone wants the oldschool client back, the abby whips are so ugly etc.
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Well, i had over 20+ friends on emps-world that quited, the reason they quited was because they want the oldschool client back. Almost everyone wants the oldschool client back, the abby whips are so ugly etc.
The old client is still there..?
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Well, i had over 20+ friends on emps-world that quited, the reason they quited was because they want the oldschool client back. Almost everyone wants the oldschool client back, the abby whips are so ugly etc.
What martin said. When you start emps, you have the option to play open GL or classic..
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Well, i had over 20+ friends on emps-world that quited, the reason they quited was because they want the oldschool client back. Almost everyone wants the oldschool client back, the abby whips are so ugly etc.
Oldschool graphics*
1. Staff isn't helpful - they rarely respond in game.
2. There's corruption and a lot of people take advantage of that.
3. Market is ruled by ~5 SUPER rich people - that's why the economy is fawked.
4. As much as I remember from the old days, this game was about pking. Since pking is dead people quit. The second most popular activity was skilling, but that isn't profitable so no point in that - people quit.
5. High drop rates in the beginning ruined the economy.
6. All these updates you are having. How about talking to the COMMUNITY before launching another? A poll would be nice, like in oldschool rs for example.
cba thinking more
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Well, i had over 20+ friends on emps-world that quited, the reason they quited was because they want the oldschool client back. Almost everyone wants the oldschool client back, the abby whips are so ugly etc.
Oldschool graphics*
1. Staff isn't helpful - they rarely respond in game.
2. There's corruption and a lot of people take advantage of that.
3. Market is ruled by ~5 SUPER rich people - that's why the economy is fawked.
4. As much as I remember from the old days, this game was about pking. Since pking is dead people quit. The second most popular activity was skilling, but that isn't profitable so no point in that - people quit.
5. High drop rates in the beginning ruined the economy.
6. All these updates you are having. How about talking to the COMMUNITY before launching another? A poll would be nice, like in oldschool rs for example.
cba thinking more
Agreed with this
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Thanks for all the responses! The main reasons I can extract here are gaining and losing money. Some have mentioned old graphics but if we take care of that, we'll never advance.
I've slso read about exp rates. Some finding them too high, others too low. Regarding advertising, we'll go on the toplists next month.
So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
- Member skills doable up to a max level, e.g. 50
Typed this on my phone :-)
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Thanks for all the responses! The main reasons I can extract here are gaining and losing money. Some have mentioned old graphics but if we take care of that, we'll never advance.
I've slso read about exp rates. Some finding them too high, others too low. Regarding advertising, we'll go on the toplists next month.
So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
- Member skills doable up to a max level, e.g. 50
Typed this on my phone :-)
Stop coding on the phone and people will start playing again
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So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
As soon as you add better drops to lower monsters, the amount of that drop will increase vastly (see visage drops on all dragons, dfs has crashed hard and is not sellable as everyone has too many of them)
Also it's a fact that the amount of cash per player is just a fraction of what we had in old emps scape, that's why selling stuff is so hard right now. I think improving gold value of items to sell to general store would solve that, and maybe lootshare (would also take away the overload of loot items in the market).
It's impossible to keep every player satisfied, people will quit guaranteed. The lack of advertising makes the player count decline too.
Skills like agility, smithing (mainly these two) could get an xp buff (1.2x, 1.5x ?)
Thoughts everyone?
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I'm still playing emps-world, so i'm never gonna quit playing.
But, some reasons why a person would quit in my view.
First, the economy:
all these prices are insane compared to emps-scape. You see items that are 10x more worth then before and items that are 10x less worth, it all doesn't makes sense anymore. I know World just came back and the idea of removing all the banks to give all the players the same fairness, but you should spawn some cash or items give them to some random people to make these prices as they were, and with this i don't mean giving items to the usual people who get them first (if you've ever done this before, i dont know), but giving them to even the most newest players, it'll give the small players a huge chance to decide in the ongoing economy, compared to the usual richer get rich and the poor get rich eventually (but cant do as much impact on the eco then the big players)
Second the bugs/glitches etc:
i'm seeing a lot of people complaining about this that they lost their items, of which they really have worked hard for to get. it's always the hardest in the beginning, this only makes it worse.
Third, client problem:
As you said before, some players have problems running a client, so they cant even begin to play (like me, but i still got hope). Coming back here, and being so happy that you can finally play emps again, and then seeing you cant even run the client or load the cache (personal client problem there), so why would you then even stay here?
finally, the combat system/item stats:
I'm seeing that a lot of items still don't have logical stats as everyone is complaining about, but this is more of a problem that gets done over time, just have patience, some people just don't have it and when they see something that's not right, they immediatly leave.
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Pk really needs a pkp system or something also, to make it worth pking again.
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i mean old graphics with the normal abby whips and d scims this sucks
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i want old grahpics back noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo mary help alsjeblieft ik wil oude grapics terug
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Thanks for all the responses! The main reasons I can extract here are gaining and losing money. Some have mentioned old graphics but if we take care of that, we'll never advance.
I've slso read about exp rates. Some finding them too high, others too low. Regarding advertising, we'll go on the toplists next month.
So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
- Member skills doable up to a max level, e.g. 50
Typed this on my phone :-)
Please do not put in a GE, this will make it more like runescape....
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Thanks for all the responses! The main reasons I can extract here are gaining and losing money. Some have mentioned old graphics but if we take care of that, we'll never advance.
I've slso read about exp rates. Some finding them too high, others too low. Regarding advertising, we'll go on the toplists next month.
So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
- Member skills doable up to a max level, e.g. 50
Dont ad ge
Plz do not add ge that will ruin the eco more more merchers.more.money people have to wait and sell tgere stuff if u ag ge prople will still quit
Typed this on my phone :-)
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why do you want to stay in the dark cave like really guys the graphics are amazing and i like it though it's bugged
1)and the reason of players are quitting is staking, for example: when a guy is in a roll suddenly he loses everything it's a good reason for him to quit since he only knows "staking"
2) that error bug,many players died because of that bug and lost there items which causes them to quit
3) the high drop rates at the beginning, i personally was upset because i was a low level player i couldn't get these drops
so that's my opinion
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So many good suggestions here. Somebody should sum them up in 1 topic and we could have a poll there.
Smithing and agility xp rates should be raised, yes.
Also adding pkp's could be a way to revive pking.
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1.Thomy some of the players are little and never visit the forums so they didnt know about the new client.
2.Some of the computers are kind of old so the graphics card cant handle Emps-World.
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why do you want to stay in the dark cave like really guys the graphics are amazing and i like it though it's bugged
I would rather drive a 1967 Shelby GT500 or Mini Cooper 500 than the new McLaren P1.
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So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
As soon as you add better drops to lower monsters, the amount of that drop will increase vastly (see visage drops on all dragons, dfs has crashed hard and is not sellable as everyone has too many of them)
Also it's a fact that the amount of cash per player is just a fraction of what we had in old emps scape, that's why selling stuff is so hard right now. I think improving gold value of items to sell to general store would solve that, and maybe lootshare (would also take away the overload of loot items in the market).
It's impossible to keep every player satisfied, people will quit guaranteed. The lack of advertising makes the player count decline too.
Skills like agility, smithing (mainly these two) could get an xp buff (1.2x, 1.5x ?)
Thoughts everyone?
That's because you don't make items intended for great use to be frequent, there should be more dragon drops, and even a chance for having like a rare drop table something like a rare chance of getting 10m cash from bosses or a super rare chance from getting a valuable none tradable item that can help you get access to something where you can earn money. I'd say add a rarer drop to kbd like colored infinity or something where people will want the dfs for a purpose. Manipulating demand can easily be done with the right tactics.
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why do you want to stay in the dark cave like really guys the graphics are amazing and i like it though it's bugged
I would rather drive a 1967 Shelby GT500 or Mini Cooper 500 than the new McLaren P1.
I would rather drive a Nissan GTR than a 1970 Lada. You can't really compare it like that.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the game in general.
Sometimes I'm just a bit bored in-game, and I think this is were the problem occurs..
e.g. Players who have ''completed'' the game for like 90% don't have an actual goal left, well you can set a goal to get 200m exp in some skill or make some bank.
Most people went staking because they're bored, and then they get cleaned, rage and lastly quit.
I don't think there is a reasonable way to fix this issue (since adding new content to the game takes time too and can't be done within a couple of hours)... :-\
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Also i think that if you reset our banks you should have resetted our levels also. Completely fresh start for everybody. Make week or two of double exp in the beginning and then go back to normal exp rates. Too late to think about that tho.
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So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
As soon as you add better drops to lower monsters, the amount of that drop will increase vastly (see visage drops on all dragons, dfs has crashed hard and is not sellable as everyone has too many of them)
Also it's a fact that the amount of cash per player is just a fraction of what we had in old emps scape, that's why selling stuff is so hard right now. I think improving gold value of items to sell to general store would solve that, and maybe lootshare (would also take away the overload of loot items in the market).
It's impossible to keep every player satisfied, people will quit guaranteed. The lack of advertising makes the player count decline too.
Skills like agility, smithing (mainly these two) could get an xp buff (1.2x, 1.5x ?)
Thoughts everyone?
That's because you don't make items intended for great use to be frequent, there should be more dragon drops, and even a chance for having like a rare drop table something like a rare chance of getting 10m cash from bosses or a super rare chance from getting a valuable none tradable item that can help you get access to something where you can earn money. I'd say add a rarer drop to kbd like colored infinity or something where people will want the dfs for a purpose. Manipulating demand can easily be done with the right tactics.
The lowest droprate we can set is 1 in 1000 and you see what that did when we added 1 in 1000 draconic visage drops to dragons.
Also i think that if you reset our banks you should have resetted our levels also. Completely fresh start for everybody. Make week or two of double exp in the beginning and then go back to normal exp rates. Too late to think about that tho.
Yep we already went over this but it's too late now.
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So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
As soon as you add better drops to lower monsters, the amount of that drop will increase vastly (see visage drops on all dragons, dfs has crashed hard and is not sellable as everyone has too many of them)
Also it's a fact that the amount of cash per player is just a fraction of what we had in old emps scape, that's why selling stuff is so hard right now. I think improving gold value of items to sell to general store would solve that, and maybe lootshare (would also take away the overload of loot items in the market).
It's impossible to keep every player satisfied, people will quit guaranteed. The lack of advertising makes the player count decline too.
Skills like agility, smithing (mainly these two) could get an xp buff (1.2x, 1.5x ?)
Thoughts everyone?
That's because you don't make items intended for great use to be frequent, there should be more dragon drops, and even a chance for having like a rare drop table something like a rare chance of getting 10m cash from bosses or a super rare chance from getting a valuable none tradable item that can help you get access to something where you can earn money. I'd say add a rarer drop to kbd like colored infinity or something where people will want the dfs for a purpose. Manipulating demand can easily be done with the right tactics.
The lowest droprate we can set is 1 in 1000 and you see what that did when we added 1 in 1000 draconic visage drops to dragons.
Also i think that if you reset our banks you should have resetted our levels also. Completely fresh start for everybody. Make week or two of double exp in the beginning and then go back to normal exp rates. Too late to think about that tho.
Yep we already went over this but it's too late now.
Only black dragons should have gotten the visage drop added to their tables.
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Why didnt u make a fresh start ? that is my opinion, some people get jealous because mary has all skills 99 and he has to tryhard to get them and then just X
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Why didnt u make a fresh start ? that is my opinion, some people get jealous because mary has all skills 99 and he has to tryhard to get them and then just X
I worked very hard for my skills for 7 years straight, they're not set! I'd be very disappointed if the skills would have been reset.
Also i did most skills when the xp rates were still bad and there was no double xp weekend, you guys have it way easier right now.
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Why didnt u make a fresh start ? that is my opinion, some people get jealous because mary has all skills 99 and he has to tryhard to get them and then just X
I worked very hard for my skills for 7 years straight, they're not set! I'd be very disappointed if the skills would have been reset.
Also i did most skills when the xp rates were still bad and there was no double xp weekend, you guys have it way easier right now.
Did Draconas get all its levels reset when you had them transfered to Mary?
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Why didnt u make a fresh start ? that is my opinion, some people get jealous because mary has all skills 99 and he has to tryhard to get them and then just X
I worked very hard for my skills for 7 years straight, they're not set! I'd be very disappointed if the skills would have been reset.
Also i did most skills when the xp rates were still bad and there was no double xp weekend, you guys have it way easier right now.
Did Draconas get all its levels reset when you had them transfered to Mary?
Yes, see highscores, they're all reset. Technically i lost experience, not gained them, from high admins xD
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Why didnt u make a fresh start ? that is my opinion, some people get jealous because mary has all skills 99 and he has to tryhard to get them and then just X
I worked very hard for my skills for 7 years straight, they're not set! I'd be very disappointed if the skills would have been reset.
Also i did most skills when the xp rates were still bad and there was no double xp weekend, you guys have it way easier right now.
^ Agree with mary.
If we would get a full reset only more players will stop playing the game.
It's too late for this option.
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Why didnt u make a fresh start ? that is my opinion, some people get jealous because mary has all skills 99 and he has to tryhard to get them and then just X
I worked very hard for my skills for 7 years straight, they're not set! I'd be very disappointed if the skills would have been reset.
Also i did most skills when the xp rates were still bad and there was no double xp weekend, you guys have it way easier right now.
7 years straight is a lie tho.
Y u lie Mary... tought better off you :(
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I really think that we need old school emps back. We need unique server, not simmilar like others nowadays
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I would say that many ppl play only cause of staking, they dont kill bosses or do anything else, they just stake untill they are cleaned and then quit. (dueal are should be closed for some time)
And yeah, another reason is no pkers, no dh sets, too many 3rd age items(high def, u cant hit em)- means hard to pk, noone wants to pk like this
Combat system is a bit fked up too, it doesent matter, are u 45 def or 99 (well, in staking, there is still 50% chanse to win, u hit the same and defend same amount of hits)
Eddit:
I'm pretty sure a ton of our playerbase is focused solely on the double xp and double membership, and that's why they only get on during those days. You spoiled them too much, thomy.
Many players also disagree with the double xp.. So it's kinda contradictionary. People quit because there is double xp, people quit because there isn't double xp..
Only old emps-scape players quit cause there are too many double xp
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I think bringing some more content(not saying there hasn't been enough updates), like more bosses. I, personally, get bored quite easily, so nothing to do might be a problem we are facing with this community.
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I have to admit,client and everything is running gooood for me, never had any problems. I´m less active because I´m playing other games too ( I dont mean like other servers, i mean games) . And the other reason is school, and im so tired, i just dont have the feeling to play, but that does not make me quit emps-scape, I love it! And will not quit! Two of my friends quitted because their computers are shitty and these toasters will not run the new client.
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I have to admit,client and everything is running gooood for me, never had any problems. I´m less active because I´m playing other games too ( I dont mean like other servers, i mean games) . And the other reason is school, and im so tired, i just dont have the feeling to play, but that does not make me quit emps-scape, I love it! And will not quit! Two of my friends quitted because their computers are shitty and these toasters will not run the new client.
That is actually a really good reason.
Emps was down for over a year people find new games, have long school days.
They might just not prioritize emps the way they did.
Maybe their fire just burned out.
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Thomy you should take an example from Sword art online...
somehow lock our computers in the game and dont let us logff nor exit until we all die :D
kidding
but seriously you could see some nice examples from the show: like multi player quests i think people would like that
And quests depending on lev so people with high lev have something to do.
I think third age should go back to the avatars
visage should only put on black dragons or mith.
And getting people on the forum making them a part of the community because thats what really makes me stick to emps
its the community that we all love
but new players do not know that
Maybe stuff like that could help
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One more thing, there were no LoL when there was Emps-scape highlights :D
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When I found out that Emps-Scape (Emps-World) was back, I immediately took my mindset back to where I was right before it went offline. Unfortunately, I was met with a few concerns: a new set of graphics, a wiped out bank, and, soon to follow my return, a new combat system.
New graphics
When I first played Emps-Scape, what really drew me into the game was the graphics. I was so nostalgic for the graphics that I ended up getting 99s across the board in a matter of weeks. When the graphic changes came along, I wasn't turned on by this. At first, I tried to adjust, but I just felt like I was playing RuneScape 3, and so I played less. What I enjoyed playing was a fixed client, with simple graphics, just like the old days of RuneScape. In fact, when Emps-Scape closed, I went directly to Old School RuneScape and worked diligently on an account that now has many high levels. It doesn't seem like the new graphics were introduced appropriately. They should have been polled first, with the community agreeing to have them added or not. It seems like what ended up happening is that we went forward with new graphics. We then gradually started to drop old graphics because they were 'causing more problems', and those kind of problems were never addressed appropriately, so we ended up sticking to new graphics only. The classic client that exists now not only lacks any old graphics, but it is also more dysfunctional than the new, OpenGL client. I am also having issues running it on my Mac, so it is not efficiently tested across multiple platforms, which may account for some player count drop.
Wiped out bank
Everything that I worked for in Emps-Scape was completely gone when I checked my bank on Emps-World. This was a severe disappointment. I had not only put in time and effort, but also my own money (donations) towards that bank. All of it was removed. Now, don't get me wrong, I can understand that it may have addressed the concern for the inflated economy on Emps-Scape, but even with such an economy, it was still a highly active economy. You could log into Emps-Scape and you'd see hundreds of people standing outside of the Falador East Bank selling a variety of items. This was convenient because everyone was selling something that you could find use for. I can't give an honest opinion of what the economy is like right now because I've still been working to get my original bank back to where it once was. Every time I am in Falador though, it seems like there is nobody there selling items. This may be because I'm on at the wrong times, or that the economy is a lot less active than it once was.
New combat system
A few weeks ago, a new combat system was introduced that completely wiped out the existing bonuses. It doesn't seem like this new system was adequately polled, or even prepared. There have been dozens of 'tweaks' to items because they're too powerful or too weak. The items that players once thought were useful are now completely useless, and vice versa for other items. I would take an educated guess that even if a single person makes a post that says "X item is broken", there is another 10 players in-game that are frustrated because they're experiencing the same issue, but don't know that a fix has been addressed. To be completely honest, I don't even understand why the old combat system was replaced if it worked so efficiently for so many years in Emps-Scape. Even if it was 'messy', it was still something that people used and loved.
I would also like to add that having 99 in a lot of skills seems to have no real monetary gain:
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4. As much as I remember from the old days, this game was about pking. Since pking is dead people quit. The second most popular activity was skilling, but that isn't profitable so no point in that - people quit.
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The first thing I did in-game when I logged in was mining Runite ores, smelting Runite bars, smithing Rune platebodies, and alching them. This gives me about 100K per inventory. This is equivalent to 10 Ranarrs, according to current market prices. What a joke. The only way to make any decent money in Emps-World is to kill monsters and get rare drops. If I get 99 Smithing, that should give me the ability to make good money because I worked so hard to get that level.
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Thanks for all the responses! The main reasons I can extract here are gaining and losing money. Some have mentioned old graphics but if we take care of that, we'll never advance.
I've slso read about exp rates. Some finding them too high, others too low. Regarding advertising, we'll go on the toplists next month.
So far I'd have following suggestions:- More to do for med levels. Better drops.
- GE to improve selling and buying skill resources.
- Member skills doable up to a max level, e.g. 50
Typed this on my phone :-)
The Member skills doable up to a certain level is a great idea. But keep in mind that slayer monster drops up to lvl 50 slayer will drop in price.
Some kind of GE is GREAT in my opinion. Just don't make the same mistake Jagex did.
Don't make a fixed price for items.
Maybe use a system like this? I came across this on a forum once.
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New graphics
When I first played Emps-Scape, what really drew me into the game was the graphics. I was so nostalgic for the graphics that I ended up getting 99s across the board in a matter of weeks. When the graphic changes came along, I wasn't turned on by this. At first, I tried to adjust, but I just felt like I was playing RuneScape 3, and so I played less. What I enjoyed playing was a fixed client, with simple graphics, just like the old days of RuneScape. In fact, when Emps-Scape closed, I went directly to Old School RuneScape and worked diligently on an account that now has many high levels. It doesn't seem like the new graphics were introduced appropriately. They should have been polled first, with the community agreeing to have them added or not. It seems like what ended up happening is that we went forward with new graphics. We then gradually started to drop old graphics because they were 'causing more problems', and those kind of problems were never addressed appropriately, so we ended up sticking to new graphics only. The classic client that exists now not only lacks any old graphics, but it is also more dysfunctional than the new, OpenGL client. I am also having issues running it on my Mac, so it is not efficiently tested across multiple platforms, which may account for some player count drop.
Wiped out bank
Everything that I worked for in Emps-Scape was completely gone when I checked my bank on Emps-World. This was a severe disappointment. I had not only put in time and effort, but also my own money (donations) towards that bank. All of it was removed. Now, don't get me wrong, I can understand that it may have addressed the concern for the inflated economy on Emps-Scape, but even with such an economy, it was still a highly active economy. You could log into Emps-Scape and you'd see hundreds of people standing outside of the Falador East Bank selling a variety of items. This was convenient because everyone was selling something that you could find use for. I can't give an honest opinion of what the economy is like right now because I've still been working to get my original bank back to where it once was. Every time I am in Falador though, it seems like there is nobody there selling items. This may be because I'm on at the wrong times, or that the economy is a lot less active than it once was.
I agree about this two points,
Moreover I think the players who's playing this game so you should have created a poll before deciding it yourself,
Why don't you just do what players want? not what staff members discussing, not offensive for any staff members, Just said that because you might discussing about adding new things.
Since you want players to play give me what they want.
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Moreover I think the players who's playing this game so you should have created a poll before deciding it yourself,
Why don't you just do what players want? not what staff members discussing, not offensive for any staff members, Just said that because you might discussing about adding new things.
Since you want players to play give me what they want.
Tbh the player polls made Runescape what it is right now, because they swapped to player polls too... They vote against everything new.
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Moreover I think the players who's playing this game so you should have created a poll before deciding it yourself,
Why don't you just do what players want? not what staff members discussing, not offensive for any staff members, Just said that because you might discussing about adding new things.
Since you want players to play give me what they want.
Tbh the player polls made Runescape what it is right now, because they swapped to player polls too... They vote against everything new.
Players polls is what killed the new updates IMO. People are too scared of change and variety nowadays.
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Moreover I think the players who's playing this game so you should have created a poll before deciding it yourself,
Why don't you just do what players want? not what staff members discussing, not offensive for any staff members, Just said that because you might discussing about adding new things.
Since you want players to play give me what they want.
Tbh the player polls made Runescape what it is right now, because they swapped to player polls too... They vote against everything new.
Players polls is what killed the new updates IMO. People are too scared of change and variety nowadays.
Exactly what I mean, and they will kill Emps too, I'm very sure of that.
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When I found out that Emps-Scape (Emps-World) was back, I immediately took my mindset back to where I was right before it went offline. Unfortunately, I was met with a few concerns: a new set of graphics, a wiped out bank, and, soon to follow my return, a new combat system.
New graphics
When I first played Emps-Scape, what really drew me into the game was the graphics. I was so nostalgic for the graphics that I ended up getting 99s across the board in a matter of weeks. When the graphic changes came along, I wasn't turned on by this. At first, I tried to adjust, but I just felt like I was playing RuneScape 3, and so I played less. What I enjoyed playing was a fixed client, with simple graphics, just like the old days of RuneScape. In fact, when Emps-Scape closed, I went directly to Old School RuneScape and worked diligently on an account that now has many high levels. It doesn't seem like the new graphics were introduced appropriately. They should have been polled first, with the community agreeing to have them added or not. It seems like what ended up happening is that we went forward with new graphics. We then gradually started to drop old graphics because they were 'causing more problems', and those kind of problems were never addressed appropriately, so we ended up sticking to new graphics only. The classic client that exists now not only lacks any old graphics, but it is also more dysfunctional than the new, OpenGL client. I am also having issues running it on my Mac, so it is not efficiently tested across multiple platforms, which may account for some player count drop.
Wiped out bank
Everything that I worked for in Emps-Scape was completely gone when I checked my bank on Emps-World. This was a severe disappointment. I had not only put in time and effort, but also my own money (donations) towards that bank. All of it was removed. Now, don't get me wrong, I can understand that it may have addressed the concern for the inflated economy on Emps-Scape, but even with such an economy, it was still a highly active economy. You could log into Emps-Scape and you'd see hundreds of people standing outside of the Falador East Bank selling a variety of items. This was convenient because everyone was selling something that you could find use for. I can't give an honest opinion of what the economy is like right now because I've still been working to get my original bank back to where it once was. Every time I am in Falador though, it seems like there is nobody there selling items. This may be because I'm on at the wrong times, or that the economy is a lot less active than it once was.
New combat system
A few weeks ago, a new combat system was introduced that completely wiped out the existing bonuses. It doesn't seem like this new system was adequately polled, or even prepared. There have been dozens of 'tweaks' to items because they're too powerful or too weak. The items that players once thought were useful are now completely useless, and vice versa for other items. I would take an educated guess that even if a single person makes a post that says "X item is broken", there is another 10 players in-game that are frustrated because they're experiencing the same issue, but don't know that a fix has been addressed. To be completely honest, I don't even understand why the old combat system was replaced if it worked so efficiently for so many years in Emps-Scape. Even if it was 'messy', it was still something that people used and loved.
I would also like to add that having 99 in a lot of skills seems to have no real monetary gain:
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4. As much as I remember from the old days, this game was about pking. Since pking is dead people quit. The second most popular activity was skilling, but that isn't profitable so no point in that - people quit.
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The first thing I did in-game when I logged in was mining Runite ores, smelting Runite bars, smithing Rune platebodies, and alching them. This gives me about 100K per inventory. This is equivalent to 10 Ranarrs, according to current market prices. What a joke. The only way to make any decent money in Emps-World is to kill monsters and get rare drops. If I get 99 Smithing, that should give me the ability to make good money because I worked so hard to get that level.
Can't agree more.. this is just, TRUE.
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if i can give my opinion, i liked the old emps ( emps-scape ) more. because of all the old-school stuff and the better economy the differents between old and rich was bigger. now u can have the best set ( mage ) 30m, melee ( looking at 3age 20m ) thats not really hard to get ! but, before you had to play a lot, u need to merch.. work for your money ! that kind of things.
the economy is not as good as it was at the old Emps-scape. I play it because its different then RuneScape, but the last time its everytime more and more looking at it.. i'll hope it will get back his old-school ( wings, lantarn, bow sword, camel mask ''high price'' p ring ''high price'', scarf ) and not that everything is free or very cheep. and my last point, no free member all the time. i'll pay for my member and than other players get it free.. befair against everybody !
sorry for my english if its not very well ! but i hope my message is clear !
and remember, i still like it, but the old was better !
Greets #range111
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Moreover I think the players who's playing this game so you should have created a poll before deciding it yourself,
Why don't you just do what players want? not what staff members discussing, not offensive for any staff members, Just said that because you might discussing about adding new things.
Since you want players to play give me what they want.
Tbh the player polls made Runescape what it is right now, because they swapped to player polls too... They vote against everything new.
People like Mary do not like updates for the players, but for an advance in the game only... I'm not saying that we shouldn't advance, of course we should, but we keep advancing to be more like runescape.....
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Moreover I think the players who's playing this game so you should have created a poll before deciding it yourself,
Why don't you just do what players want? not what staff members discussing, not offensive for any staff members, Just said that because you might discussing about adding new things.
Since you want players to play give me what they want.
Tbh the player polls made Runescape what it is right now, because they swapped to player polls too... They vote against everything new.
Players polls is what killed the new updates IMO. People are too scared of change and variety nowadays.
Exactly what I mean, and they will kill Emps too, I'm very sure of that.
"You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new. " - Steve Jobs
Exactly the reason why polls will never work.
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Moreover I think the players who's playing this game so you should have created a poll before deciding it yourself,
Why don't you just do what players want? not what staff members discussing, not offensive for any staff members, Just said that because you might discussing about adding new things.
Since you want players to play give me what they want.
Tbh the player polls made Runescape what it is right now, because they swapped to player polls too... They vote against everything new.
Players polls is what killed the new updates IMO. People are too scared of change and variety nowadays.
Exactly what I mean, and they will kill Emps too, I'm very sure of that.
"You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new. " - Steve Jobs
Exactly the reason why polls will never work.
Haha, my game design college says 'Don't give the customer what he wants, give him what he needs.'
Moreover I think the players who's playing this game so you should have created a poll before deciding it yourself,
Why don't you just do what players want? not what staff members discussing, not offensive for any staff members, Just said that because you might discussing about adding new things.
Since you want players to play give me what they want.
Tbh the player polls made Runescape what it is right now, because they swapped to player polls too... They vote against everything new.
People like Mary do not like updates for the players, but for an advance in the game only... I'm not saying that we shouldn't advance, of course we should, but we keep advancing to be more like runescape.....
All updates have always had an 'emps' touch.. ;)
Our monsters always drop other things than in RS, our items have always been different (anger for example) and our dungeons have always been unique to emps. Even some of our skills work differently in an emps' way. (mudskipper point for fishing, farming works different)
We can fill vials by talking to Zaff, we can go to Neitiznot isle to mine our gems, and we have our gay silk trader!
And that's what I like and would love to keep.
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The old emps community grew up , got a job and started doing adult things.(mike scrob married)
I think that's the main reason, this server needs advertisement since the old playerbase has quit and there isn't a new income of players.
I don't think thats entirely true...
I played back in 2009 (?). I'm 22 years old now, got a girlfriend, got my own house and a full-time dayjob.
And I still like to play Emps.
But I do agree on the advertisement part...
Emps-world should really do some more effort on advertising.
Also the double-XP thing is like a drug...
People get addicted to it and hate it when it's turned off because they get used to it.
Make it a special event, like once a month but make sure to advertise the double-xp weekend date on the homepage.
This way you'll attract people and get huge number online in that specific weekend.
Also the economy will evolve, because everyone will be buying resources and will get ready for the double-XP weekend.
Totally truth.
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Wiped out bank!
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Ty for all the feedback. I already have following updates planned:
- Guardian Angel - Buyable for 500k - 1m cash; prevents death 1x outside the wilderness and minigames.
- Increased item alch prices
- Better drops for low and medium level npcs.
Typed on my phone :-)
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Well the server wouldn't work for me until I got a new PC, this may suggest something? Like yeah, it worked on classic but I went from having 10 frames per second to about 3 frames per second. Playing in that lag is pretty much impossible, therefore I was inactive for about a week until I got my computer. It's possible that other players are experiencing the same problems.
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Okay ty. I've never experienced a slower client. Gonna take alook at it now tho.
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Ty for all the feedback. I already have following updates planned:- Guardian Angel - Buyable for 500k - 1m cash; prevents death 1x outside the wilderness and minigames.
- Increased item alch prices
- Better drops for low and medium level npcs.
Typed on my phone :-)
Guardian angel? Sounds cool, reminds me of LoL :P
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3rd and prices is so low all the people got z spear, dclaws etc... People don't have motivations. in emps-scape had like lantern,bs,bunnys etc. Now nothing..
Also I think gwd is bullshit.. bring kolo,wyvern,troll general back and add gs-es to them. And take gwd off ing.
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ECONOMY dfs 2m 3rd sets so cheap herbs so cheap to start game is rly hard...
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Two things.
I wanna start off by saying that this server isnt noob friendly. While everyone has their accounts back. And probably has like 100+ combat. People who just started are never gonna fill in with the server. You're not gonna get there by just killing moss giants over and over. People who just get started get 0 help. For example, i showed two of my friends this server, whom are completely new to servers, and they end up getting bored at lvl 30 combat, not knowing what amazing server is in front of them. The two things to get rich are, high monsters ( mostly by slayer ) and gambling/pking. No one who starts emps fresh, is gonna enjoy this server
The second thing is staking, there are so much people staking right now, due all the double exp people had. Most people are maxed accounts. And because there is a huge gap between a normal player and a welfare player. Everyone who has a little bit of cash tries staking. And maybe 2% of the whole community ends up getting rich from it
Give double exp > get maxed > go stake > lose bank > ragequit
Staking is alot of fun, but i think its way too much on this server.
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My irl friend quitted cuz of the new client, just doesn't work for him, tried everything and i guess emps-world isn't worth it to get a new computer.
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My irl friend quitted cuz of the new client, just doesn't work for him, tried everything and i guess emps-world isn't worth it to get a new computer.
Even a wooden piece of poop is able run Emps ._.
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My irl friend quitted cuz of the new client, just doesn't work for him, tried everything and i guess emps-world isn't worth it to get a new computer.
What type of computer was he using?
I've used a very very very very very old laptop to access Emps-World and I had no problems at all.
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My irl friend quitted cuz of the new client, just doesn't work for him, tried everything and i guess emps-world isn't worth it to get a new computer.
What type of computer was he using?
I've used a very very very very very old laptop to access Emps-World and I had no problems at all.
Im not really sure what type it was, but it is very old one, well in fact he could actually run the client, but after he logged in, it was lagging as hell, half of the screen was even white and it crashed very often, he's knowings about computers r pretty fine, he tried everything, but it didn't work out for him.
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I have the following things
1. Jad waves take way to long +- 3 hours and then there is a big chance if you do it the first time you will fail. Older jad is better imo.
2. You can't solo a good boss. In the old days you could solo the wyvern/troll general and kbd. Which made it not that hard to get good loot like a godsword. Now you need a 3 man team atleast or 4 to stay for long. The split will be around 10m each or less.
3. Magic sucks on monsters so the only reason to get 94-99 magic was ice barrage or veng for the pures. Since veng is member now and nobody is in multi it is kinda useless to train. People only buy rune ess to get 99 rc now and thats why you have a hard time selling them. I get lots of pm's from noobs who ask me if i know someone who wants to buy rune ess.
4. Remove free member and make it so that you can train the member skill up to a level lets say 50 and you need to be member for 50-99.
5. Make daganoths 800 xp a bone or higher then dragons. You get some more wildy presence and why not blue dragons are not that much harder then daganoths in my opinion.
6. Make dharoks easier to get.
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I have the following things
1. Jad waves take way to long +- 3 hours and then there is a big chance if you do it the first time you will fail. Older jad is better imo.
2. You can't solo a good boss. In the old days you could solo the wyvern/troll general and kbd. Which made it not that hard to get good loot like a godsword. Now you need a 3 man team atleast or 4 to stay for long. The split will be around 10m each or less.
3. Magic sucks on monsters so the only reason to get 94-99 magic was ice barrage or veng for the pures. Since veng is member now and nobody is in multi it is kinda useless to train. People only buy rune ess to get 99 rc now and thats why you have a hard time selling them. I get lots of pm's from noobs who ask me if i know someone who wants to buy rune ess.
4. Remove free member and make it so that you can train the member skill up to a level lets say 50 and you need to be member for 50-99.
5. Make daganoths 800 xp a bone or higher then dragons. You get some more wildy presence and why not blue dragons are not that much harder then daganoths in my opinion.
6. Make dharoks easier to get.
This sounds like a "I want" update only for you. lol
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I have the following things
1. Jad waves take way to long +- 3 hours and then there is a big chance if you do it the first time you will fail. Older jad is better imo.
2. You can't solo a good boss. In the old days you could solo the wyvern/troll general and kbd. Which made it not that hard to get good loot like a godsword. Now you need a 3 man team atleast or 4 to stay for long. The split will be around 10m each or less.
3. Magic sucks on monsters so the only reason to get 94-99 magic was ice barrage or veng for the pures. Since veng is member now and nobody is in multi it is kinda useless to train. People only buy rune ess to get 99 rc now and thats why you have a hard time selling them. I get lots of pm's from noobs who ask me if i know someone who wants to buy rune ess.
4. Remove free member and make it so that you can train the member skill up to a level lets say 50 and you need to be member for 50-99.
5. Make daganoths 800 xp a bone or higher then dragons. You get some more wildy presence and why not blue dragons are not that much harder then daganoths in my opinion.
6. Make dharoks easier to get.
This sounds like a "I want" update only for you. lol
Thomy asked for opinions this is my opinion. Other people suggest things like make slayer f2p? They could just buy a member ring and train slayer, so why are my suggestions "I want update only for you" while others aren't.
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Removing our banks IMO was the worst idea ever , we worked very hard to gain these items.
Also tbh I just came back few days ago and it's really hard to start again ( I even forget how start since I never had to work -_- )
BTW the old Jad minigame was the best thing we ever had in this game ( I know it has been removed long time ago ) but worth asking for :) we used to spend hours there everyday .
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new ivandis model suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx... jeez :(
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Removing our banks IMO was the worst idea ever , we worked very hard to gain these items.
Also tbh I just came back few days ago and it's really hard to start again ( I even forget how start since I never had to work -_- )
BTW the old Jad minigame was the best thing we ever had in this game ( I know it has been removed long time ago ) but worth asking for :) we used to spend hours there everyday .
if the banks would have stayed there would be no motivation to play again.
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Removing our banks IMO was the worst idea ever , we worked very hard to gain these items.
Also tbh I just came back few days ago and it's really hard to start again ( I even forget how start since I never had to work -_- )
BTW the old Jad minigame was the best thing we ever had in this game ( I know it has been removed long time ago ) but worth asking for :) we used to spend hours there everyday .
if the banks would have stayed there would be no motivation to play again.
this ^
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Lately, we were wondering what caused the decline in Emps-World. We've lost on average 60 players a day.
Looking at the Introductions and Farewells section, 50% of the people quitting are leaving because Mary banned them (http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-ddc6e3a8732cb50f-25x28.png)
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Lately, we were wondering what caused the decline in Emps-World. We've lost on average 60 players a day.
Looking at the Introductions and Farewells section, 50% of the people quitting are leaving because Mary banned them (http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-ddc6e3a8732cb50f-25x28.png)
Wait what where :(
(yeah i definately perm ban 60 players a day muwahhaha)
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Lately, we were wondering what caused the decline in Emps-World. We've lost on average 60 players a day.
Looking at the Introductions and Farewells section, 50% of the people quitting are leaving because Mary banned them (http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/chansub-global-emoticon-ddc6e3a8732cb50f-25x28.png)
Wait what where :(
(yeah i definately perm ban 60 players a day muwahhaha)
Don't get too greedy :o
I only said 50% ;)
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The auction of the old school rares brought up some more players, but I see this to decline in a couple of weeks. Too many old players leaving/quitting/getting banned. XD
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My irl friend quitted cuz of the new client, just doesn't work for him, tried everything and i guess emps-world isn't worth it to get a new computer.
What type of computer was he using?
I've used a very very very very very old laptop to access Emps-World and I had no problems at all.
Im not really sure what type it was, but it is very old one, well in fact he could actually run the client, but after he logged in, it was lagging as hell, half of the screen was even white and it crashed very often, he's knowings about computers r pretty fine, he tried everything, but it didn't work out for him.
This was probably a client/cache issue. He should try troubleshooting these and see what the outcome is.
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I have 35+ friends that don't play emps-world anymore because they like the 2007 graphics we used to have in emps-scape in fact I am sure u can ask many people and they do like that, you should make it like old school a section where new graphics and old school graphics are seperated. If this prevents us to get advanced then how did we advance in old emps? We should at least try to make this work. Also vengeance needs to be non members because a lot of pkers spend time training vengeance and now they can't even use it therefore nobody shows up to pk in the wild which frustrates more and more people who like to pk, please take your time and read this it may be a big cause and also a lot of people quit because the new server cannot be played on a shitty computer.
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Also vengeance needs to be non members
Agreed.
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GWD Is too easy, best items in-game are REALLY cheap, like 3rd items.Also, yesterday range 4 meeee,greip and freestuffyayy got 2 ags hilt in one trip to kree arra... Talk about the drop rate! That sucks bawls, they just farming ags. The prices are fudged! Why would you buy something if you can get it yourself easily? That doesnt make sense. And yes, client lagg is why moist of people probably left, my friends potato cant handle openGL.