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Title: Player Count
Post by: Pox90 on July 11, 2017, 02:19:52 am
Just wondering why this server doesn't do some sort of advertising, I would bet that the player retention right would be very high for such a flawless unique server, that of the source especially. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jhonson on July 11, 2017, 03:20:08 am
Not 100% sure, but I think thomy does advertise it on facebook iirc... we also did the voting system which did nothing for the server
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jp on July 11, 2017, 04:33:27 pm
There are bunch of ads running in various places and voting has proved not to do much for the server I guess.
We could have voting rewards to encourage people to vote but they should be separated from the economy completely so they don't affect it in a long run, i.e some kind of boosts or non tradeable items.

Then again having rewards for voting brings up the question; do you vote for your own benefits or the servers sake or both?
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: S Clegane on July 12, 2017, 05:11:59 am
It does have advertising though it doesn't have that much of an impact on Player Count. Unless you're full of ideas on how to bring players attention to play our server - I bet Thomy will rush to hear it out. Right now, Player count is affected not only by advertising. There is much more than it looks like. As Jp stated - voting system isn't going to do much unless there is proper rewards for voting.

Nah, who I am kidding... Player count usually relies on player having time to spare time to play and not. It's not about competing with other servers anymore. Not everybody in communities plays 6 hours(or more)per day and I bet there is a lot of those who just come for entertainment purposes, join buddies to chat around or have fun ing for 1 - 2 hours per day at best.

Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jp on July 12, 2017, 09:12:09 am
As Jp stated - voting system isn't going to do much unless there is proper rewards for voting.
I worded myself poorly on my post. We did get enough (got to top 10 pretty quick I think) votes without rewards but having rewards might encourage people to vote even more.
It just didn't affect the player count or something so there was no point upkeeping it I assume. I actually have no idea on that because I didn't play at the time.

Having sponsored spots in Runelocus is pretty much a no no though due to how expensive it is.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Ameer on July 12, 2017, 06:31:09 pm
As Jp stated - voting system isn't going to do much unless there is proper rewards for voting.
I worded myself poorly on my post. We did get enough (got to top 10 pretty quick I think) votes without rewards but having rewards might encourage people to vote even more.
It just didn't affect the player count or something so there was no point upkeeping it I assume. I actually have no idea on that because I didn't play at the time.

Having sponsored spots in Runelocus is pretty much a no no though due to how expensive it is.

Eventho such thing might be so expensive however Imo its worth the risk, I highly disagree on voting won't have any kind of impact on the game.
Voting before was removed because thomy thought exposing his ' 400 ' players back then to other servers will be a high risk eventho these 400 players could've easily checked runelocus or w.e its called whenever they feel like doing,

I do believe that sponsored spot at runelocus might actually help the game a bit
we should work together on what kind of rewards we think might be a good idea to have while voting ( without crashing the economy )

the kind of advertising we are doing now is the same as a person going to buy some food then in the menu of the restaurant finds a cheap car there ( in other words I am sure if my dad has me on his friend list @ facebook won't give a fuck about an ad there of emps )

change the name of the game back to emps scape ( eventho it might look silly but people has this name in their minds instead of ' world ' which i have no idea yet why we changed it.

Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jp on July 12, 2017, 06:35:07 pm
Sponsored spot at Runelocus costs over 900 euros a month as far as I'm aware. If someone wants to pay that go ahead :P
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Charr on July 12, 2017, 06:35:35 pm
change the name of the game back to emps scape ( eventho it might look silly but people has this name in their minds instead of ' world ' which i have no idea yet why we changed it.
Legal reasons. The name would've been kept if that would've been a possibility. Regardless I don't think it would affect the playercount in any way shape or form. Emps world is already the first result when you google emps scape.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on July 12, 2017, 07:25:32 pm
Sponsored spot at Runelocus costs over 900 euros a month as far as I'm aware. If someone wants to pay that go ahead :P

Yeah and that's only a single site of the dozen rsps lists :P
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jp on July 12, 2017, 07:39:06 pm
Runelocus is by far the biggest site where people look up servers, at least more known than others if I were to guess?
Thing with Runelocus is also that the spots at the top of the list might not even be for sale and are reserved for sponsored servers. Some spots you also have to pay months in advance or might not even be for sale at all because they're taken by other servers.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Ameer on July 12, 2017, 07:47:38 pm
Runelocus is by far the biggest site where people look up servers, at least more known than others if I were to guess?
Thing with Runelocus is also that the spots at the top of the list might not even be for sale and are reserved for sponsored servers. Some spots you also have to pay months in advance or might not even be for sale at all because they're taken by other servers.

And that's where the rewards will take a spot,
if you really think that people ing ( who actually play the game not like a hour a week ) will vote just for the sake of the server, then you're mistaken
unless you make their gameplay a bit more fun with high value rewards or more like something they actually want, they won't vote at all
When I say forcing them to vote for high rewards that changes every month, I actually mean they abuse the hell out of the voting and vpn system over the internet, otherwise 50 players won't be able to get the game to the 3rd page

Updating the server is something should be taken into account as well,
its more like a circle that we will never get out of it,
Less players --> not worth thomer time to update it weekly --> less updates --> people leaving because lack of updates --> repeat.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jp on July 12, 2017, 08:09:30 pm
Don't look at the player counter at the top and pull off conclusion based alone on it. We have far more unique players logging in per day than that. Player counter is a really poor guiding light when it comes to player base.

Having in-game rewards doesn't free up nor fund the advertisement spots from Runelocus or anywhere though so not really sure what were you trying to come up with that. What also should be factored in is the fact that if we were to have our banner show up there, other server banners will show up as well and might turn into a loss for us.

So, the question remains; Why make a free voting page and possibly expose our players to alternative servers when voting if there is no significant gain from it for us?
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Ameer on July 12, 2017, 09:50:13 pm



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Having in-game rewards doesn't free up nor fund the advertisement spots from Runelocus or anywhere though so not really sure what were you trying to come up with that

What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.

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. What also should be factored in is the fact that if we were to have our banner show up there, other server banners will show up as well and might turn into a loss for us.

So, the question remains; Why make a free voting page and possibly expose our players to alternative servers when voting if there is no significant gain from it for us?

Again, people knows the website there very well, they're not waiting for you to have a voting system so they can check any other server they want.

Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on July 12, 2017, 10:59:12 pm



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Having in-game rewards doesn't free up nor fund the advertisement spots from Runelocus or anywhere though so not really sure what were you trying to come up with that

What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.

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. What also should be factored in is the fact that if we were to have our banner show up there, other server banners will show up as well and might turn into a loss for us.

So, the question remains; Why make a free voting page and possibly expose our players to alternative servers when voting if there is no significant gain from it for us?

Again, people knows the website there very well, they're not waiting for you to have a voting system so they can check any other server they want.

Get to donating boi
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Charr on July 13, 2017, 12:13:56 am
What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.
Except we were in the top 10 on all 4 sites we were on.

Given that vpn use can't really be avoided in any voting rewards would become worthless if tradable and a few hours work if not.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Joshiee on July 13, 2017, 11:39:57 am
Games like these are dying IMO. Everyone who used to play this game has grown out of it. There are only a certain few old players who still play, which is a pity because this game was my childhood.
The only way of getting a higher player count is by waiting. Emps-Scape took 3 years to have a stable 300-500 players online at any given time. I'd say give it another year, if nothing improves, there's nothing much anyone can do, as everything else has already been done.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Crusher123 on July 13, 2017, 02:04:32 pm
Sponsored spot at Runelocus costs over 900 euros a month as far as I'm aware. If someone wants to pay that go ahead :P

WE ALREADY DID, if you did some math before posting this reply you would know how much the emps community already donated to the server over the past few years. Also on donating page it says that "Your purchases help us to keep Emps-World alive!" but i don't see Thomy spending the donations in the right places to make server grow bigger. Only paying for hosting and some FB adds which i think are completely useless. I can understand that maybe Thomy is just accepting the fact that game is slowly coming to end and don't want to drop extra +$1K just to try out if it will bring some new players and with introducing new rares (abyssal bows/staffs) he is just milking the last money from us before completely abandoning the server. That's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jp on July 13, 2017, 02:15:09 pm
But how you do maths without numbers if I may ask ??? You can only make assumptions which rarely are right.

Dropping a huge amount of money for a good spot above all servers on Runelocus is not just a money question either. You'll need at least three different things to my understanding which are of course the money, luck and possibly the right contact(s).

There are many things donations are used for which are forums, in-game servers, advertising, Ddos protection and possibly more? There are certain budgets for everything and you just can't extend one without limiting the budget on other things.

If it would be so simple to make something grow it would have been done ages ago. Growth doesn't happen over night and there are also down times.

Games like these are dying IMO. Everyone who used to play this game has grown out of it. There are only a certain few old players who still play, which is a pity because this game was my childhood.
The only way of getting a higher player count is by waiting. Emps-Scape took 3 years to have a stable 300-500 players online at any given time. I'd say give it another year, if nothing improves, there's nothing much anyone can do, as everything else has already been done.
This is also a great point^ RSPS in general aren't popular anymore and that's no secret. Emps is doing great compared to other servers.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on July 13, 2017, 05:17:05 pm
Sponsored spot at Runelocus costs over 900 euros a month as far as I'm aware. If someone wants to pay that go ahead :P

WE ALREADY DID, if you did some math before posting this reply you would know how much the emps community already donated to the server over the past few years. Also on donating page it says that "Your purchases help us to keep Emps-World alive!" but i don't see Thomy spending the donations in the right places to make server grow bigger. Only paying for hosting and some FB adds which i think are completely useless. I can understand that maybe Thomy is just accepting the fact that game is slowly coming to end and don't want to drop extra +$1K just to try out if it will bring some new players and with introducing new rares (abyssal bows/staffs) he is just milking the last money from us before completely abandoning the server. That's just my opinion.

"Milking the money"

That statement hardly goes hand in hand with the other statement of the game dying. If there's no people here, who the hell is he milking the money from?

Also saying "amg we already did donate" shows how you missed the whole part of the 1k€ being a MONTHLY fee for the sponsored spot on a single site. You gotta keep donating boi, cuz it's only a minority doing so.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Bubblebeam2 on July 13, 2017, 06:20:08 pm
Sponsored spot at Runelocus costs over 900 euros a month as far as I'm aware. If someone wants to pay that go ahead :P

WE ALREADY DID, if you did some math before posting this reply you would know how much the emps community already donated to the server over the past few years. Also on donating page it says that "Your purchases help us to keep Emps-World alive!" but i don't see Thomy spending the donations in the right places to make server grow bigger. Only paying for hosting and some FB adds which i think are completely useless. I can understand that maybe Thomy is just accepting the fact that game is slowly coming to end and don't want to drop extra +$1K just to try out if it will bring some new players and with introducing new rares (abyssal bows/staffs) he is just milking the last money from us before completely abandoning the server. That's just my opinion.

"Milking the money"

That statement hardly goes hand in hand with the other statement of the game dying. If there's no people here, who the hell is he milking the money from?

Also saying "amg we already did donate" shows how you missed the whole part of the 1k€ being a MONTHLY fee for the sponsored spot on a single site. You gotta keep donating boi, cuz it's only a minority doing so.

Also can I add that Thomy needs to pay people. Aka Mary or other gfx for every new model, animation, and everything else our whiny community asks for and he implements to shut them up. There is a shit ton more money required to run this game than you think and I can see you don't have any knowledge about business or how to properly spend and use money wisely, especially if you're willing to drop 1k+ every month just to advertise a game genre that is already dying on a shitty site that hardly anyone visits
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Il Skill L on July 13, 2017, 06:25:29 pm
Sponsored spot at Runelocus costs over 900 euros a month as far as I'm aware. If someone wants to pay that go ahead :P

WE ALREADY DID, if you did some math before posting this reply you would know how much the emps community already donated to the server over the past few years. Also on donating page it says that "Your purchases help us to keep Emps-World alive!" but i don't see Thomy spending the donations in the right places to make server grow bigger. Only paying for hosting and some FB adds which i think are completely useless. I can understand that maybe Thomy is just accepting the fact that game is slowly coming to end and don't want to drop extra +$1K just to try out if it will bring some new players and with introducing new rares (abyssal bows/staffs) he is just milking the last money from us before completely abandoning the server. That's just my opinion.

"Milking the money"

That statement hardly goes hand in hand with the other statement of the game dying. If there's no people here, who the hell is he milking the money from?

Also saying "amg we already did donate" shows how you missed the whole part of the 1k€ being a MONTHLY fee for the sponsored spot on a single site. You gotta keep donating boi, cuz it's only a minority doing so.

Also can I add that Thomy needs to pay people. Aka Mary or other gfx for every new model, animation, and everything else our whiny community asks for and he implements to shut them up. There is a shit ton more money required to run this game than you think and I can see you don't have any knowledge about business or how to properly spend and use money wisely, especially if you're willing to drop 1k+ every month just to advertise a game genre that is already dying on a shitty site that hardly anyone visits
Also lets be real, you gotta pay your rent somehow.. Can't really blame Thomer for that.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Crusher123 on July 13, 2017, 06:30:42 pm
Just checked how much would 30 days of advertisement would cost on Runelocus and rsps-list.com (Top webpages when googling for rsps list). Runelocus would be $300 for 30 days and same would be for rsps-list, but on rsps-list you can choose where you want ads to be displayed on for different prices. If we get a flashy and catchy GIF banner and if Thomy would be ready giving Emps last breath for $900 for 3 months of advertisement on Runelocus JUST to try if ads would actually help and get us the new players then it would be awesome, but if we still be at 50 players at the peak time after having the ads for these next three months then yeah, gg wp.

Source:
https://www.runelocus.com/advertising
http://www.rsps-list.com/page/advertise
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jp on July 13, 2017, 06:48:32 pm
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Google Adwords

For the more advanced users, Google Adwords is a great way to advertise your RS private server. Your website will be displayed on Google’s search results and websites that uses Google Adsense (‘Ads by Google’… you can’t miss them!). You can target specific keywords and websites, and will only pay per click. Seeing as many RuneScape private servers use Google Adsense to generate some money, you can target their websites and display your advertisement on their website. Cheap advertising on your competitor’s website, wonderful isn’t it?

This is pretty interesting quote I found which explains google ads. Seems they provide pretty much the same thing as paid advertisements on Toplist websites.
I believe Thomy has used google ads a lot and has seen results come out of it. Hence they were used and are still being used instead of paid spots on Toplists.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Il Pk I on July 13, 2017, 09:54:00 pm
@Crusher123

We had a signature of the week dedicated to creating an advertisement banner which would be used, you can see it here: https://emps-world.net/forum/index.php?topic=10546.0, I won the competition (and the rank of graphic designer) however the rank was removed from me due to "not using the banner anywhere" by Mary, I believe.

Anyway, I do believe we should have voting enabled again with items which would not affect the economy (so consumables, etc...). I know a few posts mentioned that it did not work out last time which is the main reason it got removed however, surely having it enabled would not harm the server? At least 1 new player would be better than none (if voting does not get enabled).

note: I have not read all of the replies within the topic therefore if this has been mentioned already feel free to ignore me.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Callmedragon on July 14, 2017, 03:08:14 am
@Crusher123

We had a signature of the week dedicated to creating an advertisement banner which would be used, you can see it here: https://emps-world.net/forum/index.php?topic=10546.0, I won the competition (and the rank of graphic designer) however the rank was removed from me due to "not using the banner anywhere" by Mary, I believe.

Anyway, I do believe we should have voting enabled again with items which would not affect the economy (so consumables, etc...). I know a few posts mentioned that it did not work out last time which is the main reason it got removed however, surely having it enabled would not harm the server? At least 1 new player would be better than none (if voting does not get enabled).

note: I have not read all of the replies within the topic therefore if this has been mentioned already feel free to ignore me.
Hey Ozzy we havent spoken in a long time man, hope you are doing well.

RSPS are just dying in general, although I personally believe with a combination of a voting system, more advertising, and the addition of unique features this RSPS could grow substantially. One of the things that made this server stand out from all of the others back before it was shut down was the fact that people had the option to use either the older style graphics OR the new style, a very unique feature in my opinion that would bring back a lot of veteran players, and attract new players that are interested in using one of the available styles.

I will be honest, I came back and played for a solid year after the re-launch of Emps, what finally killed it for me is the graphics style, and how easy the game had become with double xp weekends and other shit. When I originally started playing Emps the game actually felt challenging and I felt like I was actually accomplishing something by getting 99s. Now getting a 200m stat is easy as all hell in my opinion. The game just lost its sense of achievement for me, I have not even bothered logging in to get 99 construction because I know I can buy a couple of double XP tickets and get 99 in a matter of hours.... Whats the point?

Even things like rare items are near impossible to work towards anymore because the people that own the items hoard them and/or are inactive, another thing i loved working towards back in the old Emps days.

I now only login twice a week to flip items to build my bank in the hopes that something changes about the game that motivates me to come back, adding new content will not make me come back to the game, only a drastic change in the way this server is ran in comparison to the old Emps will. I have been saying this for ages now and nobody listens.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Il Skill L on July 14, 2017, 06:53:49 am
surely having it enabled would not harm the server? At least 1 new player would be better than none (if voting does not get enabled).
i think it was Thomy who made the point that we actually started losing people because of that. (They found other servers from toplists)
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Charr on July 14, 2017, 01:12:48 pm
surely having it enabled would not harm the server? At least 1 new player would be better than none (if voting does not get enabled).
i think it was Thomy who made the point that we actually started losing people because of that. (They found other servers from toplists)
https://emps-world.net/wiki/Voting
It seems I haven't linked this wiki page enough.

One of the things that made this server stand out from all of the others back before it was shut down was the fact that people had the option to use either the older style graphics OR the new style, a very unique feature in my opinion that would bring back a lot of veteran players, and attract new players that are interested in using one of the available styles.
This feature is readily available in a multitude of servers nowadays. Having it around actively slows down developing pretty much anything as you'd need to develop it in basically two revisions. Not to mention the sheer amount of bugfixes necessary before this feature works in an acceptable way.

I will be honest, I came back and played for a solid year after the re-launch of Emps, what finally killed it for me is the graphics style, and how easy the game had become with double xp weekends and other shit. When I originally started playing Emps the game actually felt challenging and I felt like I was actually accomplishing something by getting 99s. Now getting a 200m stat is easy as all hell in my opinion. The game just lost its sense of achievement for me, I have not even bothered logging in to get 99 construction because I know I can buy a couple of double XP tickets and get 99 in a matter of hours.... Whats the point?
Once you are able to understand how to gain exp in a skill it becomes a matter of time rather than a challenge. As most people get older they are better able to understand things. Back in scape things seemed challenging because we were all fucking stupid. Unless you plan on being lobotomized there's no way to get that back. Gaining exp isn't challenging, it's a matter of time. Speedrunning it might appeal to some, but not everyone.

Handicapping yourself with things like ironman mode only gets you so far before you arrive at a point where things are just a matter of time again. Getting a void set is only a matter of playing a bit of pest control, it really isn't challenging. If you want a challenge you need content that is actually challenging.

You can get 99 construction in 2h without dxp if you have the materials and the ability to click. Regardless of the exp rate it wouldn't be a challenge anyways, it would be a matter of time.

Even things like rare items are near impossible to work towards anymore because the people that own the items hoard them and/or are inactive, another thing i loved working towards back in the old Emps days.
Idk I seemed to have no trouble getting my 10 oldschools. Really a matter of patience, persistence and rigged events.

I now only login twice a week to flip items to build my bank in the hopes that something changes about the game that motivates me to come back, adding new content will not make me come back to the game, only a drastic change in the way this server is ran in comparison to the old Emps will. I have been saying this for ages now and nobody listens.
Maybe there's a reason for that.

Pking is a thing, but given that it would take people's effort to revive I doubt anyone will do that anytime soon.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Drugs on July 14, 2017, 03:56:04 pm
Mby no1 just wants to play this game
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Avenus on July 14, 2017, 09:59:29 pm
Mby no1 just wants to play this game

Damn u being too real now, you might hurt someone  :'(

(http://i.imgur.com/rKdOPgO.jpg)
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Drugs on July 16, 2017, 05:59:31 pm
Mby no1 just wants to play this game

Damn u being too real now, you might hurt someone  :'(

(http://i.imgur.com/rKdOPgO.jpg)
soz avenus  :'(
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Callmedragon on July 17, 2017, 03:27:05 pm
Mby no1 just wants to play this game
Yeah also this ^
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Theoneofall on July 27, 2017, 06:04:43 am
We did not vote enough times on vote thing
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Di Dot on July 27, 2017, 06:27:17 am



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Having in-game rewards doesn't free up nor fund the advertisement spots from Runelocus or anywhere though so not really sure what were you trying to come up with that

What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.

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. What also should be factored in is the fact that if we were to have our banner show up there, other server banners will show up as well and might turn into a loss for us.

So, the question remains; Why make a free voting page and possibly expose our players to alternative servers when voting if there is no significant gain from it for us?

Again, people knows the website there very well, they're not waiting for you to have a voting system so they can check any other server they want.

Its pointless to explane... even thomy quitted
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on July 27, 2017, 06:46:16 am



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Having in-game rewards doesn't free up nor fund the advertisement spots from Runelocus or anywhere though so not really sure what were you trying to come up with that

What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.

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. What also should be factored in is the fact that if we were to have our banner show up there, other server banners will show up as well and might turn into a loss for us.

So, the question remains; Why make a free voting page and possibly expose our players to alternative servers when voting if there is no significant gain from it for us?

Again, people knows the website there very well, they're not waiting for you to have a voting system so they can check any other server they want.

Its pointless to explane... even thomy quitted

Or maybe he is having a holiday away from cunt nuggets like you. It's summer, you should try having a life too.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Di Dot on July 27, 2017, 08:37:19 am
@Crusher123

We had a signature of the week dedicated to creating an advertisement banner which would be used, you can see it here: https://emps-world.net/forum/index.php?topic=10546.0, I won the competition (and the rank of graphic designer) however the rank was removed from me due to "not using the banner anywhere" by Mary, I believe.

Anyway, I do believe we should have voting enabled again with items which would not affect the economy (so consumables, etc...). I know a few posts mentioned that it did not work out last time which is the main reason it got removed however, surely having it enabled would not harm the server? At least 1 new player would be better than none (if voting does not get enabled).

note: I have not read all of the replies within the topic therefore if this has been mentioned already feel free to ignore me.
Hey Ozzy we havent spoken in a long time man, hope you are doing well.

RSPS are just dying in general, although I personally believe with a combination of a voting system, more advertising, and the addition of unique features this RSPS could grow substantially. One of the things that made this server stand out from all of the others back before it was shut down was the fact that people had the option to use either the older style graphics OR the new style, a very unique feature in my opinion that would bring back a lot of veteran players, and attract new players that are interested in using one of the available styles.

I will be honest, I came back and played for a solid year after the re-launch of Emps, what finally killed it for me is the graphics style, and how easy the game had become with double xp weekends and other shit. When I originally started playing Emps the game actually felt challenging and I felt like I was actually accomplishing something by getting 99s. Now getting a 200m stat is easy as all hell in my opinion. The game just lost its sense of achievement for me, I have not even bothered logging in to get 99 construction because I know I can buy a couple of double XP tickets and get 99 in a matter of hours.... Whats the point?

Even things like rare items are near impossible to work towards anymore because the people that own the items hoard them and/or are inactive, another thing i loved working towards back in the old Emps days.

I now only login twice a week to flip items to build my bank in the hopes that something changes about the game that motivates me to come back, adding new content will not make me come back to the game, only a drastic change in the way this server is ran in comparison to the old Emps will. I have been saying this for ages now and nobody listens.

Same for me...
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Di Dot on July 27, 2017, 08:52:03 am



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Having in-game rewards doesn't free up nor fund the advertisement spots from Runelocus or anywhere though so not really sure what were you trying to come up with that

What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.

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. What also should be factored in is the fact that if we were to have our banner show up there, other server banners will show up as well and might turn into a loss for us.

So, the question remains; Why make a free voting page and possibly expose our players to alternative servers when voting if there is no significant gain from it for us?

Again, people knows the website there very well, they're not waiting for you to have a voting system so they can check any other server they want.

Its pointless to explane... even thomy quitted

Or maybe he is having a holiday away from cunt nuggets like you. It's summer, you should try having a life too.

I have, seems you stucked here, maybe you aint human? You always here but not in game and you tryin to help emps out? Damn funny... about thomy, obv that those abby items absolute bs they made ele useless, maybe we rlly need torva and stuff? Then game would be more balanced... no logic and never be...
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on July 27, 2017, 08:58:12 am



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Having in-game rewards doesn't free up nor fund the advertisement spots from Runelocus or anywhere though so not really sure what were you trying to come up with that

What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.

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. What also should be factored in is the fact that if we were to have our banner show up there, other server banners will show up as well and might turn into a loss for us.

So, the question remains; Why make a free voting page and possibly expose our players to alternative servers when voting if there is no significant gain from it for us?

Again, people knows the website there very well, they're not waiting for you to have a voting system so they can check any other server they want.

Its pointless to explane... even thomy quitted

Or maybe he is having a holiday away from cunt nuggets like you. It's summer, you should try having a life too.

I have, seems you stucked here, maybe you aint human? You always here but not in game and you tryin to help emps out? Damn funny... about thomy, obv that those abby items absolute bs they made ele useless, maybe we rlly need torva and stuff? Then game would be more balanced... no logic and never be...

See, you're a cunt. Nobody wants to play the game as long as people like you are around. There's nothing wrong with the in game content.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Di Dot on July 27, 2017, 01:50:18 pm



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Having in-game rewards doesn't free up nor fund the advertisement spots from Runelocus or anywhere though so not really sure what were you trying to come up with that

What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.

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. What also should be factored in is the fact that if we were to have our banner show up there, other server banners will show up as well and might turn into a loss for us.

So, the question remains; Why make a free voting page and possibly expose our players to alternative servers when voting if there is no significant gain from it for us?

Again, people knows the website there very well, they're not waiting for you to have a voting system so they can check any other server they want.

Its pointless to explane... even thomy quitted

Or maybe he is having a holiday away from cunt nuggets like you. It's summer, you should try having a life too.

I have, seems you stucked here, maybe you aint human? You always here but not in game and you tryin to help emps out? Damn funny... about thomy, obv that those abby items absolute bs they made ele useless, maybe we rlly need torva and stuff? Then game would be more balanced... no logic and never be...

See, you're a cunt. Nobody wants to play the game as long as people like you are around. There's nothing wrong with the in game content.

It is wrong, silly. Just you dont want to believe it. Im cunt ?  Maybe coz i sayin truth. Why you should create new rare abby items if you can make rare ele... it did more work for thomy but seems he tryharder like you.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Ukraptuuna on August 01, 2017, 05:23:32 am
Ahh how much i miss emps-scape good ol days
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Di Dot on August 01, 2017, 07:36:41 am
Ahh how much i miss emps-scape good ol days
I miss emps scape gameplay, but not my bank :D
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Just Humen on August 01, 2017, 08:34:44 am
I like how creators of such topic always seem to go missing after they make the initial post.
Anyway, this topic has turned into spam since everything has been said already.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Helpmeplease on August 02, 2017, 12:09:39 pm
the main reason for that playerbase is the custom that Thomy added + graphics.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on August 02, 2017, 01:27:19 pm
the main reason for that playerbase is the custom that Thomy added + graphics.

With your logic every modern game would be dead because of good graphics. Can you guys please stop being idiots?
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Saligta on August 02, 2017, 08:00:45 pm
the main reason for that playerbase is the custom that Thomy added + graphics.

With your logic every modern game would be dead because of good graphics. Can you guys please stop being idiots?

He did not mention if those are good or bad graphics >.>
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Jp on August 02, 2017, 08:27:05 pm
When people refer to graphics they rarely mean it in a good way. Frankly enough graphical work and general client work is what Thomy enjoys to do and a lot of people just hate on that.
I find that so triggering, imagine spending thousands of hours on something and people are like "yeah that's garbage". Should really give him a lot more credit for his work than people do currently.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Di Dot on August 02, 2017, 08:35:57 pm
What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.
Except we were in the top 10 on all 4 sites we were on.

Given that vpn use can't really be avoided in any voting rewards would become worthless if tradable and a few hours work if not.

voting rewards should be untradeable, they should revive pvp, pvm and also skilling if we do decent rewards not fucking abyssal bows and staves :D
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on August 02, 2017, 08:58:42 pm
What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.
Except we were in the top 10 on all 4 sites we were on.

Given that vpn use can't really be avoided in any voting rewards would become worthless if tradable and a few hours work if not.

voting rewards should be untradeable, they should revive pvp, pvm and also skilling if we do decent rewards not fucking abyssal bows and staves :D

Making rewards better than that would destroy the economy. There would be no point in doing PvM or PvP if you can simply vote to get the best shit in the game. T70s as rewards are bad enough already. Hastas and regular whips are worthless.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: S Clegane on August 02, 2017, 09:10:50 pm
What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.
Except we were in the top 10 on all 4 sites we were on.

Given that vpn use can't really be avoided in any voting rewards would become worthless if tradable and a few hours work if not.

voting rewards should be untradeable, they should revive pvp, pvm and also skilling if we do decent rewards not fucking abyssal bows and staves :D
What exact rewards it should be so it could revive all three of those sections?(PvP, PvM and Skilling)
P.S. We already have auras to make people skill for a bit to get them, slight buff(untradeable) can be used in both PvP and PvM or even Skilling.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Ameer on August 03, 2017, 06:53:02 am
MFW every topic that is about this subject has a lot of replies and ideas on possible ways to revive the game
then there is Thomy, no sign of even trying :/

Did he just give up already ?
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on August 03, 2017, 07:10:31 am
MFW every topic that is about this subject has a lot of replies and ideas on possible ways to revive the game
then there is Thomy, no sign of even trying :/

Did he just give up already ?

It's summer. People have things to do on summer. If this sounds absolutely unheard of to you, you may want to take a look at your own life and figure what the hell went wrong.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Di Dot on August 03, 2017, 07:10:43 am
MFW every topic that is about this subject has a lot of replies and ideas on possible ways to revive the game
then there is Thomy, no sign of even trying :/

Did he just give up already ?

His vacation seems moved too far
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Ameer on August 03, 2017, 08:04:47 am
MFW every topic that is about this subject has a lot of replies and ideas on possible ways to revive the game
then there is Thomy, no sign of even trying :/

Did he just give up already ?

It's summer. People have things to do on summer. If this sounds absolutely unheard of to you, you may want to take a look at your own life and figure what the hell went wrong.

Dw, I've heard about it and I am enjoying almost every min of it
however, the same way you found a very worthy minute of your time to reply to me, I am sure thomy can find one to at least say his opinion about the current situation ( that only applies if he even heard about it )
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Someone12116 on August 03, 2017, 08:44:34 am
MFW every topic that is about this subject has a lot of replies and ideas on possible ways to revive the game
then there is Thomy, no sign of even trying :/

Did he just give up already ?

It's summer. People have things to do on summer. If this sounds absolutely unheard of to you, you may want to take a look at your own life and figure what the hell went wrong.

Dw, I've heard about it and I am enjoying almost every min of it
however, the same way you found a very worthy minute of your time to reply to me, I am sure thomy can find one to at least say his opinion about the current situation ( that only applies if he even heard about it )

Join discord m8 and take a break from the endless shit posting on the forums and open your fucking eyes. You're the one out of the loop bro because you're too busy spewing your bs here :LUL:

(https://i.gyazo.com/2988f08ea9b8380ad364a2bdf2992fe2.png)

Since he obviously is busy, it is better to wait until he has more time to prevent any rushed decisions about anything.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Di Dot on August 03, 2017, 09:27:26 am
What I meant is, having some decent rewards ing will force people to vote, which might actually get us into top 10 which almost has the same result as paying to stay in top, I didn't mean it help funding it.
Except we were in the top 10 on all 4 sites we were on.

Given that vpn use can't really be avoided in any voting rewards would become worthless if tradable and a few hours work if not.

voting rewards should be untradeable, they should revive pvp, pvm and also skilling if we do decent rewards not fucking abyssal bows and staves :D

Making rewards better than that would destroy the economy. There would be no point in doing PvM or PvP if you can simply vote to get the best shit in the game. T70s as rewards are bad enough already. Hastas and regular whips are worthless.

I didnt said that there should best items in game, just need more ideas, together there is more chances to change something.
Title: Re: Player Count
Post by: Thomy on August 03, 2017, 10:20:49 am
I'm closing this topic now since it's turning into a brawl. Voting hasn't worked, because we didn't give good rewards for it. Giving good rewards destroys the economy and won't benefit the game in any way. So this isn't a suggestion that ever worked out for emps nor ever will. I've said this numerous times already, so I don't know why people keep coming up with the same stuff.

My opinion: At the moment the game is just being unpopular. Most people have maxed out their accounts and are doing something else or just don't enjoy playing emps anymore. Believe me, this saddens me, but there isn't really too much I can do to change that. Pump in more updates? Yeah, we've seen what happened over the past 6 months. This definitely doesn't correlate with an increasing population. As a fact RSPS in general also isn't very popular. There's servers with 500 players, so why isn't emps that big? Are these players real? Back in the scape days, there were also servers with 5,000 players. Aside from that, I am looking for opportunities to put ads on... which is... let's just say difficult.

I will always be working on emps as my hobby, no matter how many people enjoy it. As long as I can pay the server (still easily doable) I will keep developing the game. If you don't enjoy that or if you think that negative comments do benefit us, then please leave the site. You're destroying the motivation of me and others to even comment here. Thanks.