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it's time to make a change!
« on: August 17, 2018, 02:19:08 pm »
hello everyone,
I started playing emps-scape since I was 12 years old, that's 8 years ago!
when it got closed It felt like I lost a piece of my childhood it was so devastating, but then emps-world came and it made  me and hundreds others happy.
but unfortunately this game took a very wrong turn with the updates, I remember one day emps reached 1k players online!! it was massive!!! but now? 60 players on peek time.
so I have a suggestion to make and I hope..i really hope you take it seriously.
few years ago runescape was in this same track, it was dying, until someone suggested that they bring back the older version of runescape which is known today by the name :"oldschool runescape". jagex didn't expect for this to work they thought it was a stupid idea, but surprisingly osrs is even bigger than rs3 today!! so I say lets bring back the older version of emps-scape, im pretty sure you have backup files for it! maybe release a beta first! it will work trust me! all of the vets will come back hundreds of players are dying for this to come back! it will make this wonderful game we all love revive! and come back from the dead! it's a shame!! it's a shame that emps-world AKA emps-scape has only 60 players online!! please consider this very carefully! I hope you make the right decision


kind regards,

emps-scape/world veteran player

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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2018, 04:36:09 pm »
This should be here ----> https://emps-world.net/forum/suggestions-ideas/



This idea has been suggested countless times and although I would personally like to see the older version of the game come back, Thomy made it very clear that it won't because it would divide the small player base even more.
Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2018, 04:52:09 pm »
I disagree with that, it'll bring all of the old players back. and trust me it' worth the risk because the game is dying anyway this is the only way for it to survive. if this change doesn't happen emps-world is gonna die in a year

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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2018, 05:36:09 pm »
I am sorry to say this, but there will be no change - atleast not the one you expect.

Let me try to ilustrate you the situation of this server from my point of view. No roasting intended.



We have a smooth running server with tons of (wrong) features, which took alot time to implement.

On the one hand, we have the community that was represented by the same 15-20 players over the last years.
On the other hand, we have all the other players.

Let's turn the time back where Emps-World had 600 online players.
People start leaving after they realize this is not emps-scape.

500 players:

"RSPS are dying out in general. People get old, family, etc. Nothing we can do about it."

350 players:
Emps-World is turning into RS3 with auras, HD graphics, dyes, etc.

300 players:
Thomy: "Let's make a poll which updates the community wants next? I have made a list to choose from.
We want construction (money sink).
One random player: Improve PvP please.
Thomy: "Construction, it is!"

200 players:
F this game. Emps is dead. Empty wildy. No fun.
Bye.

150 players:
Emps is dying. Please bring back old emps-scape. Revive wilderness, etc.
RSPS are dying out in general. Also make specific suggestions to change something or gtfo.
Quick prayers.

100 players:
Thomy: "It's time for our yearly community poll."
Oldschool!
Thomy: "Oldschool sounds interesting. I could do this and this.
No oldschool. Community gets divided!
Thomy: Sorry, community has decided. No oldschool.
Group bosses!
Thomy: We have a winner!
PvP improvements. Quick prayers please.

50 players:

Thomy: "I did everything the community wanted. Why can't we get more players?
How about voting (after it failed in the past)?
Thomy: Sure, let's spend more time and money on emps-world.
Voting does not work.
Improve PvP!
Thomy: Community?
Meh, we don't care. just do it.
After X years, emps-world gets its first pvp update with shitty rewards as always.
Now it's our turn again. Skilling outfits, titles and more pets!
Thomy: Yes, yes, yes!
This is what you call a PvP update? WTF!?!?
You got what you wanted. No more pvp updates, no oldschool, no nothing!

...

Quick prayers?
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I hope this makes you understand the sitatuion of emps-world from my point of view.
Thomy listened to the same players over the last years. The same players still enjoy this game and Thomy does not like big changes in opposite directions.
That's why he keeps moving forward to make the current players happy instead of looking into other directions (e.g. Oldschool). Additionally, he is the only coder this server has. The time he spends on this server is limited as well.

I remember when emps-wars got changed into the flag thing. Even though the whole community disliked the update, Thomy did not revert it, because he spent too much time on it. His time can not be wasted.

Working on oldschool would mean world was a time waste in itself. Try to explain this to someone like Thomy. Additionally, the community could dislike oldschool and quit entirely (which I don't mind tbh considering hundreds of players quit because of the changes that were pushed by the same community.)
And then, there is the biggest risk left. What if oldschool does not live up to its hype? Emps will be dead completely.
Even if Thomy decided to work on oldschool, I can guarantee you that he would approach the same players for ideas that pushed world into its ruin and the other players would get the blame by suggesting oldschool.


« Last Edit: August 17, 2018, 05:44:08 pm by Junkz »
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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2018, 05:36:40 pm »
You should take a loot at Trello and few latest patch notes where Thomy shows off or mentions some progress on oldschool stuff.
and trust me it' worth the risk

It's not about the risks or anything, you have to understand Emps has only one developer who also has a busy real life and cannot work with Emps every single day and sometimes not in a whole week if longer.
"Just" changing the game to oldschool or opening a new server that's oldschool stylish would just double the workload -> managing both games. It's a humongous/unrealistic amount of work.

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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2018, 05:41:25 pm »
id disagree with you. Jagex knew osrs would work and it would never fail them. so they had nothing to lose by bringing osrs. me, as one of many other veteran players, can tell you that problem isnt in game version. bring ing back emps scape wont increase our community at all, our community size will stay as it is right now. i do understand people want old times back, but you also have to realise you cannot rewind time back. Time is most valuable thing in our lifes that we cant change nor get more of it from somewhere. time goes on and so do people and everything else. you have to suck it up and deal with the fact that u cant bring back old community.
"Ayyy lmao" - thats what I said :kappa:
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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2018, 07:39:04 pm »
I am sorry to say this, but there will be no change - atleast not the one you expect.

Let me try to ilustrate you the situation of this server from my point of view. No roasting intended.



We have a smooth running server with tons of (wrong) features, which took alot time to implement.

On the one hand, we have the community that was represented by the same 15-20 players over the last years.
On the other hand, we have all the other players.

Let's turn the time back where Emps-World had 600 online players.
People start leaving after they realize this is not emps-scape.

500 players:

"RSPS are dying out in general. People get old, family, etc. Nothing we can do about it."

350 players:
Emps-World is turning into RS3 with auras, HD graphics, dyes, etc.

300 players:
Thomy: "Let's make a poll which updates the community wants next? I have made a list to choose from.
We want construction (money sink).
One random player: Improve PvP please.
Thomy: "Construction, it is!"

200 players:
F this game. Emps is dead. Empty wildy. No fun.
Bye.

150 players:
Emps is dying. Please bring back old emps-scape. Revive wilderness, etc.
RSPS are dying out in general. Also make specific suggestions to change something or gtfo.
Quick prayers.

100 players:
Thomy: "It's time for our yearly community poll."
Oldschool!
Thomy: "Oldschool sounds interesting. I could do this and this.
No oldschool. Community gets divided!
Thomy: Sorry, community has decided. No oldschool.
Group bosses!
Thomy: We have a winner!
PvP improvements. Quick prayers please.

50 players:

Thomy: "I did everything the community wanted. Why can't we get more players?
How about voting (after it failed in the past)?
Thomy: Sure, let's spend more time and money on emps-world.
Voting does not work.
Improve PvP!
Thomy: Community?
Meh, we don't care. just do it.
After X years, emps-world gets its first pvp update with shitty rewards as always.
Now it's our turn again. Skilling outfits, titles and more pets!
Thomy: Yes, yes, yes!
This is what you call a PvP update? WTF!?!?
You got what you wanted. No more pvp updates, no oldschool, no nothing!

...

Quick prayers?
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I hope this makes you understand the sitatuion of emps-world from my point of view.
Thomy listened to the same players over the last years. The same players still enjoy this game and Thomy does not like big changes in opposite directions.
That's why he keeps moving forward to make the current players happy instead of looking into other directions (e.g. Oldschool). Additionally, he is the only coder this server has. The time he spends on this server is limited as well.

I remember when emps-wars got changed into the flag thing. Even though the whole community disliked the update, Thomy did not revert it, because he spent too much time on it. His time can not be wasted.

Working on oldschool would mean world was a time waste in itself. Try to explain this to someone like Thomy. Additionally, the community could dislike oldschool and quit entirely (which I don't mind tbh considering hundreds of players quit because of the changes that were pushed by the same community.)
And then, there is the biggest risk left. What if oldschool does not live up to its hype? Emps will be dead completely.
Even if Thomy decided to work on oldschool, I can guarantee you that he would approach the same players for ideas that pushed world into its ruin and the other players would get the blame by suggesting oldschool.
what you said is true, if he reverts the game into oldschool all of his work he did so far will go away, but my suggestion is to make an oldschool server, he can hire a developer to help him, that is the only way to bring back the old community, atleast a dozen of my class mates agrees with me, and that's just me! if he spends 2 hours each weekend on the oldschool version he can get it released in few months. this is a risk he must take, otherwise all of his work will be gone, I mean come on emps-world with only 50 players online?? oldschool will have atleast 250
Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2018, 07:40:57 pm »
id disagree with you. Jagex knew osrs would work and it would never fail them. so they had nothing to lose by bringing osrs. me, as one of many other veteran players, can tell you that problem isnt in game version. bring ing back emps scape wont increase our community at all, our community size will stay as it is right now. i do understand people want old times back, but you also have to realise you cannot rewind time back. Time is most valuable thing in our lifes that we cant change nor get more of it from somewhere. time goes on and so do people and everything else. you have to suck it up and deal with the fact that u cant bring back old community.
I TOTALLY disagree with you! bringing oldschool back would triple the current community size in a matter of week, the biggest example is osrs!

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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2018, 07:52:04 pm »
id disagree with you. Jagex knew osrs would work and it would never fail them. so they had nothing to lose by bringing osrs. me, as one of many other veteran players, can tell you that problem isnt in game version. bring ing back emps scape wont increase our community at all, our community size will stay as it is right now. i do understand people want old times back, but you also have to realise you cannot rewind time back. Time is most valuable thing in our lifes that we cant change nor get more of it from somewhere. time goes on and so do people and everything else. you have to suck it up and deal with the fact that u cant bring back old community.
I TOTALLY disagree with you! bringing oldschool back would triple the current community size in a matter of week, the biggest example is osrs!

It won't triple shit because if would just remove majority of the content there is in the game and all that would remain is the shit that people have been doing for years over years. Also people who have joined back to rs would have no reason to join emps back because there would be absolutely nothing to do.

You need to understand the fact that the gaming market in general has changed. Both runescapes combined are dead compared to what RS used to be a decade ago. Peaks were around 300k players back then. Now they are at 90k. Back when emps-scape was a thing, osrs wasn't. Even if oldschool emps was brought back, it wouldn't gain much of attention because osrs is an option.
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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2018, 07:58:35 pm »
id disagree with you. Jagex knew osrs would work and it would never fail them. so they had nothing to lose by bringing osrs. me, as one of many other veteran players, can tell you that problem isnt in game version. bring ing back emps scape wont increase our community at all, our community size will stay as it is right now. i do understand people want old times back, but you also have to realise you cannot rewind time back. Time is most valuable thing in our lifes that we cant change nor get more of it from somewhere. time goes on and so do people and everything else. you have to suck it up and deal with the fact that u cant bring back old community.
I TOTALLY disagree with you! bringing oldschool back would triple the current community size in a matter of week, the biggest example is osrs!

It won't triple shit because if would just remove majority of the content there is in the game and all that would remain is the shit that people have been doing for years over years. Also people who have joined back to rs would have no reason to join emps back because there would be absolutely nothing to do.

You need to understand the fact that the gaming market in general has changed. Both runescapes combined are dead compared to what RS used to be a decade ago. Peaks were around 300k players back then. Now they are at 90k. Back when emps-scape was a thing, osrs wasn't. Even if oldschool emps was brought back, it wouldn't gain much of attention because osrs is an option.
im level 126 osr with over 2k total, i play osrs everyday, if emps comes back ill simply play both

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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2018, 09:28:28 am »
Oh yes, let's pick out random qol updates that were suggested by people who didn't lose their mind after one of their suggestions got rejected and kept suggesting new things.

Then let's blame those people for the downfall of the server when Thomy has made it very clear that he picks updates that he wants.

And to tie the room together let's assume that everyone who doesn't cry about oldschool emps project being cancelled hated it.

You tried to emphasize some unknown part of the community that suggested pvp-improvements. There were nobody suggesting anything expect same few people who mainly tried to balance items so ahrim set wouldn't barrage 55s and crystal shield wouldn't tank 90% of the hits.

Also people need to stop giving merit to insignificant pvp-updates like quick prayers. You flat out don't need them in edge because of MOUSE2 + F1. And in hybridding it's the goal to switch prayers the traditional way.

Again, I'm not against quick prayers because that update breaks nothing, but because I don't care about them I'm to blame for the game dying.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2018, 12:05:03 pm »
Guys this post isn't about what made the game die in the first place, it's about how it can be revived. I would like to hear thomy's opinion on the matter.
Btw why not make a voting poll like how jagex did with osrs

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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2018, 01:08:06 pm »
Guys this post isn't about what made the game die in the first place, it's about how it can be revived. I would like to hear thomy's opinion on the matter.
Btw why not make a voting poll like how jagex did with osrs

Thinking about what made the game die is pretty damn relevant information. If people left the game because they grew older or moved into completely different games, you simply cannot make those people kids again or make those other games not exists anymore.
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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2018, 01:11:37 pm »
Guys this post isn't about what made the game die in the first place, it's about how it can be revived. I would like to hear thomy's opinion on the matter.
Btw why not make a voting poll like how jagex did with osrs
I would join emps-world discord, most of the debate regards to the server seems to go through there first.

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Re: it's time to make a change!
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2018, 01:45:27 pm »
Guys this post isn't about what made the game die in the first place, it's about how it can be revived. I would like to hear thomy's opinion on the matter.
Btw why not make a voting poll like how jagex did with osrs

Thinking about what made the game die is pretty damn relevant information. If people left the game because they grew older or moved into completely different games, you simply cannot make those people kids again or make those other games not exists anymore.
@Someone12116, I respect you and all but to simply throw out your opinions and assumption here and act like you know what will be the outcome is just ridiculous. People here are suggesting something that could revive Emps and who knows it might just work out; which is better than sitting in the current situation and just bla about how things will not work out and that people grow old. You don't know that old people can still play games too? Yes I'm old, I married to a beautiful wife and have a son. Named him "Thomy" after our developer and here i am still playing emps and other triple A games. I have had seem enough topics and players wanting OS back, yet I always see the same respond/reply to them which really kept them away from playing for more than a week. If we continue this way, it will Not be long until our player base is half of what's now.
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