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Title: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Thomy on November 23, 2016, 05:54:38 pm
Hey guys,

The clue scroll update is pretty much done. Before I release it though, I'd like to have some feedback on the droptables. You can find them here:The drops aren't final and I'm open for suggestions! I couldn't think of any more drops, but maybe you got something in mind? Also, how do you like the new droptable format? :)

All the best,
Thomy
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Someone12116 on November 23, 2016, 06:01:43 pm
Me like this
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Drugs on November 23, 2016, 06:26:20 pm
If hand cannon will be completely cosmetical I don't see it appeal to alot of people, because abyssal cannon looks nicer.

I'm not sure how hard/easy it is to get dragon masks from clues in the future with 10%, but I would hate to see them become too common. One thing though by looks of it there's like 50% more dragon masks then I expected which is nice (Just green/red/blue/black) would be too bland.

I don't understand why zamorak/guthix/saradomin robes and rune sets are more rare by % to get over armadyl/ancient/bandos hides and robes.
 
We already have plenty of zamorak/guthix/sara robes and rune sets ingame and they are really cheap, doesn't make sense why new hides, robes and rune sets are easier to obtain from clues then existing items.

Green = new items
Red = we already have those items ingame obtainable really easily

http://imgur.com/a/iByow
http://imgur.com/a/8cNKY

Elite clues by the looks of it are just 0,5/0,1% to get super rare item or basically other clue rewards. Just looks like you either get super super rare item or really common loot from easier clues.
Personally I think that elite clues rewards should include every other reward from lower tier clues (like hard clue rewards)
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Jp on November 23, 2016, 07:07:13 pm
Currently easy and medium clues reward table do not seem to have their own rare unique item (see rangers boots over on runescape for example) like hard and elites do.
Adding that would give higher level people to do easy and medium clues as well and why not for lower level people to spam them as well if they're not eligible to do harder ones.

Some possible cosmetic rewards for them could be a sack of grain, fox or chicken that were 1 in-game rares back in emps-scape and they were loved by the community back then,
would be a somewhat great way to bring them back possibly. Sack of bones or some other 'good' looking clothing could be a possibility as well.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Charr on November 23, 2016, 08:06:08 pm
The biggest worry I have is that they will become dead content over time. Cosmetics devalue quite easily over time.

I'll write a proper topic on release. For now all I can say is make sure that the rewards are sinked in some way.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Level Down on November 23, 2016, 10:03:22 pm
ohh i am hyped for this, can't wait for it to come out!!!!
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Someone12116 on November 23, 2016, 10:51:48 pm
The biggest worry I have is that they will become dead content over time. Cosmetics devalue quite easily over time.

I'll write a proper topic on release. For now all I can say is make sure that the rewards are sinked in some way.

People will end up collecting cosmetics items just for fun. Idk what's the point of going for a cosmetic and then get it sinked??? Dont u touch my 600 boaters m8
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Ameer on November 23, 2016, 10:56:12 pm
It would be great if you tell us how hard it is to get these scrolls, how do you get them and so on
to make it easier for us to give you a feedback on the drop table

One thing that I think is a lil bit low is G kits droprate is at 1:200 yet still at 1:10000, again until we know hard is it to get elite clue scrolls we can't tell if its fair or not



Can we please add fancy boots somewhere in that droptable ? that would amazing I want these boots so damn bad lol
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Drugs on November 23, 2016, 11:07:57 pm
The biggest worry I have is that they will become dead content over time. Cosmetics devalue quite easily over time.

I'll write a proper topic on release. For now all I can say is make sure that the rewards are sinked in some way.

People will end up collecting cosmetics items just for fun. Idk what's the point of going for a cosmetic and then get it sinked??? Dont u touch my 600 boaters m8
Prolly wiser to add some rewards that aren't cosmetic, not to sink cosmetics
waitwhat brain lag soz

IM TAKING YOUR BOATERS
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Freestuffyay on November 23, 2016, 11:23:40 pm
All I have to say is that I don't think elite clues will be worth doing looking at the % of the rewards
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Cococola on November 24, 2016, 03:31:17 am
All I have to say is that I don't think elite clues will be worth doing looking at the % of the rewards

Or something that's actually hard to obtain in this game for once and can be proud of having
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Nunca Vai on November 24, 2016, 07:24:48 am
Remove some sara and guthix robe junks, but actually it looks good. :)
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Reporter007 on November 24, 2016, 07:34:11 am
Lookin' real cool! There seem to be quite a ton of cosmetics though...
3rd age druidics :O
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Someone12116 on November 24, 2016, 10:55:14 am
All I have to say is that I don't think elite clues will be worth doing looking at the % of the rewards

(https://i.gyazo.com/c060708cb8d5df242ade85671a319cf6.png)

And yes, people do these in RS. Clues are basically a fun distraction in the middle of all the grind. Average reward in RS3 is like 100-200k.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Thomy on November 24, 2016, 11:22:31 am
Thanks for the feedback! I've updated the droptables and made sure that every clue scroll (except for the easy one) has rare and unique items. Also added new ones to the selection. :) I'm now looking into distributing clue scroll drops.

Would you prefer a chance of a clue scroll (easy, medium, rare and elite) being dropped from every monster? Chances increasing with the monster's difficulty and combat power. Or rather have them fixed in the monster's droptables?
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Il Skill L on November 24, 2016, 11:25:45 am
fancy boots and a top hat? I approve your choice of rewards
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Jp on November 24, 2016, 11:36:00 am
Thanks for the feedback! I've updated the droptables and made sure that every clue scroll (except for the easy one) has rare and unique items. Also added new ones to the selection. :) I'm now looking into distributing clue scroll drops.

Would you prefer a chance of a clue scroll (easy, medium, rare and elite) being dropped from every monster? Chances increasing with the monster's difficulty and combat power. Or rather have them fixed in the monster's droptables?
Make elite clue scrolls dropped only from bosses such as Godwars, KBD, KQ, DKs, Corporeal Beast and Spectrals. That could attract more players to do them.
Hard clue scrolls could be dropped by pretty much every high level monster there is.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Thomy on November 24, 2016, 11:53:12 am
Thanks for the feedback! I've updated the droptables and made sure that every clue scroll (except for the easy one) has rare and unique items. Also added new ones to the selection. :) I'm now looking into distributing clue scroll drops.

Would you prefer a chance of a clue scroll (easy, medium, rare and elite) being dropped from every monster? Chances increasing with the monster's difficulty and combat power. Or rather have them fixed in the monster's droptables?
Make elite clue scrolls dropped only from bosses such as Godwars, KBD, KQ, DKs, Corporeal Beast and Spectrals. That could attract more players to do them.
Hard clue scrolls could be dropped by pretty much every high level monster there is.

That sounds like a good idea. Easy, medium and hard clue scrolls could be dropped by any monster (depending on their combat strength) and elite clue scrolls only from bosses. I like that. :)
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Reporter007 on November 24, 2016, 12:17:32 pm
Also, how do you like the new droptable format? :)
It's really smooth and clear, making those clue droptables in the old way would've been a complete mess. Percentages are also a clearer way of telling the droprates.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Ameer on November 24, 2016, 12:26:37 pm
Also, how do you like the new droptable format? :)
It's really smooth and clear, making those clue droptables in the old way would've been a complete mess. Percentages are also a clearer way of telling the droprates.

Oh it took me few mins to find out what you guys were talking about when he said new droptable ( I don't check wiki so often )

Isn't it the same thing ? Its like telling them that ' half of the cup is full ' instead of ' Half of the cup is empty '
0.5% is 1:200 kills
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Thomy on November 24, 2016, 12:33:56 pm
Also, how do you like the new droptable format? :)
It's really smooth and clear, making those clue droptables in the old way would've been a complete mess. Percentages are also a clearer way of telling the droprates.

Oh it took me few mins to find out what you guys were talking about when he said new droptable ( I don't check wiki so often )

Isn't it the same thing ? Its like telling them that ' half of the cup is full ' instead of ' Half of the cup is empty '
0.5% is 1:200 kills

Yeah it is. Though the new drop tables contain drop rates for all items. More convenient imho.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Freestuffyay on November 24, 2016, 12:39:29 pm
All I have to say is that I don't think elite clues will be worth doing looking at the % of the rewards

Or something that's actually hard to obtain in this game for once and can be proud of having
Well yeah but it will be dead content when there's a 0,1% of getting a good drop when I guess a clue takes about 15 minutes to complete.
nobody will do that shit
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Reporter007 on November 24, 2016, 01:36:30 pm
All I have to say is that I don't think elite clues will be worth doing looking at the % of the rewards

Or something that's actually hard to obtain in this game for once and can be proud of having
Well yeah but it will be dead content when there's a 0,1% of getting a good drop when I guess a clue takes about 15 minutes to complete.
nobody will do that shit
I doubt it becoming "dead content" because of that. I haven't played a lot of OSRS but as for what i know, there the droprates of some items are insanely low. It just makes people want them more, as then getting one really feels like an accomplishment.I think Emps would actually need more of these extremely rare items, as it's currently lacking the super end-game content.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Someone12116 on November 24, 2016, 01:37:07 pm
All I have to say is that I don't think elite clues will be worth doing looking at the % of the rewards

Or something that's actually hard to obtain in this game for once and can be proud of having
Well yeah but it will be dead content when there's a 0,1% of getting a good drop when I guess a clue takes about 15 minutes to complete.
nobody will do that shit

Majority of people in RS bothers with that shit. Only shows how people in Emps are used to getting everything handed to them on a silver platter.

For noobs especially the easy and meds will be amazing money alongside the fun.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Freestuffyay on November 24, 2016, 02:13:00 pm
All I have to say is that I don't think elite clues will be worth doing looking at the % of the rewards

Or something that's actually hard to obtain in this game for once and can be proud of having
Well yeah but it will be dead content when there's a 0,1% of getting a good drop when I guess a clue takes about 15 minutes to complete.
nobody will do that shit

Majority of people in RS bothers with that shit. Only shows how people in Emps are used to getting everything handed to them on a silver platter.

For noobs especially the easy and meds will be amazing money alongside the fun.
Literally everything in the elite clue scroll table is garbage except for the 3rd age, what's the fun in that?

EDIT: just saw the new additions, now it seems pretty worth it
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Cjkinsey6 on November 24, 2016, 04:39:33 pm
I am very pleased with these drops :D.

Thanks for the feedback! I've updated the droptables and made sure that every clue scroll (except for the easy one) has rare and unique items. Also added new ones to the selection. :) I'm now looking into distributing clue scroll drops.

Would you prefer a chance of a clue scroll (easy, medium, rare and elite) being dropped from every monster? Chances increasing with the monster's difficulty and combat power. Or rather have them fixed in the monster's droptables?
Make elite clue scrolls dropped only from bosses such as Godwars, KBD, KQ, DKs, Corporeal Beast and Spectrals. That could attract more players to do them.
Hard clue scrolls could be dropped by pretty much every high level monster there is.

That sounds like a good idea. Easy, medium and hard clue scrolls could be dropped by any monster (depending on their combat strength) and elite clue scrolls only from bosses. I like that. :)

And I also agree with this, seems like the best way to distribute clue scrolls.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Lv Persavoz on November 24, 2016, 10:30:20 pm
O super.
200 boos kills to get scroll.
×droprate 1/1000 wtf.
Thommy  i think u shud think more about this idea. Becous i think its not very good idea to realise to much cosmetics. Add some planks- maybe if construction will be in game. coin rewards.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Someone12116 on November 24, 2016, 11:07:17 pm
O super.
200 boos kills to get scroll.
×droprate 1/1000 wtf.
Thommy  i think u shud think more about this idea. Becous i think its not very good idea to realise to much cosmetics. Add some planks- maybe if construction will be in game. coin rewards.

They're supposed to be rare so the items will retain some value.

It is so freaking amusing that people keep suggesting things from RS and when Thomy after a longass time finally decides to add something everybody goes "OMG DIS IS SHIT Y U ADD DIS".
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Just Humen on November 25, 2016, 06:51:40 am
O super.
200 boos kills to get scroll.
×droprate 1/1000 wtf.

I'm not sure where you got that clue scroll drop rate from, however yes, the point of having a rare reward is making it rare and not easily obtained, and that explains the extremely low chance to get a rare. Simple logic I suppose.

Thommy  i think u shud think more about this idea. Becous i think its not very good idea to realise to much cosmetics.

Why is that a bad idea? There are only a few good cosmetics and they will be hard to get.

Add some planks- maybe if construction will be in game. coin rewards.

Well, construction won't just magically appear and code itself if he adds planks.


I like these drops. Can't wait to start collecting.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Lv Persavoz on November 25, 2016, 08:33:46 am
Nice. Keep updateing. Peoples like updates and a lot boss.😃
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Freestuffyay on November 25, 2016, 09:24:55 am
O super.
200 boos kills to get scroll.
×droprate 1/1000 wtf.
Thommy  i think u shud think more about this idea. Becous i think its not very good idea to realise to much cosmetics. Add some planks- maybe if construction will be in game. coin rewards.

They're supposed to be rare so the items will retain some value.

It is so freaking amusing that people keep suggesting things from RS and when Thomy after a longass time finally decides to add something everybody goes "OMG DIS IS SHIT Y U ADD DIS".
It's a good addition but the rates are so low, people don't want to spend hundreds of hours getting clues and solving them.

I won't bother because no time
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Ameer on November 26, 2016, 11:01:02 am
Since you didn't release it yet,

Whats the use of Torn pages ? I've never played rs so i have no idea what it is for ( well I checked RS wiki and found that it has 0 uses in here )

Can you replace that 2 half of keys with just 1 crystal key ? I think it was done that way just to make the list look bigger :/
half of keys can be easily obtained by new players, no point on doing it the same here ( maybe reduce the rate of it as well a lil bit )

Easy scrolls are actually great for new comers, even tho I expect some items that can be used while training range / magic not just melee items ( rune, addy , dragon ), no comment on Torn pages until I know what it is for.

Clue scrolls Medium - Actually its almost the same as easy clue scrolls as you just made it easier to get these new Addy/Rune H items and made it rarer to get Rune and addy :/
I think people who are killing Monsters around level 30 - 50 ( maybe a lil bit higher ) may find some food / pot supplies I think instead of that random rune / addy items just give them few pots, few sharks ?

the rest are actually fine
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Rocklal on November 26, 2016, 12:55:47 pm
I like the new cosmetics idea, but there are things like elite set, I wonder if these get higher requirements like 60 tier'n shit   
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Ashootsh on November 26, 2016, 10:17:27 pm
Ooo This will bring me back I swear to god im excited now
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Callmedragon on November 27, 2016, 05:36:39 pm
If hand cannon will be completely cosmetical I don't see it appeal to alot of people, because abyssal cannon looks nicer.

I'm not sure how hard/easy it is to get dragon masks from clues in the future with 10%, but I would hate to see them become too common. One thing though by looks of it there's like 50% more dragon masks then I expected which is nice (Just green/red/blue/black) would be too bland.

I don't understand why zamorak/guthix/saradomin robes and rune sets are more rare by % to get over armadyl/ancient/bandos hides and robes.
 
We already have plenty of zamorak/guthix/sara robes and rune sets ingame and they are really cheap, doesn't make sense why new hides, robes and rune sets are easier to obtain from clues then existing items.

Green = new items
Red = we already have those items ingame obtainable really easily

http://imgur.com/a/iByow
http://imgur.com/a/8cNKY

Elite clues by the looks of it are just 0,5/0,1% to get super rare item or basically other clue rewards. Just looks like you either get super super rare item or really common loot from easier clues.
Personally I think that elite clues rewards should include every other reward from lower tier clues (like hard clue rewards)
I have to agree with everything you have said. Too many of the items are totally useless, the easy scrolls have literally nothing of value, i think this would be a good opportunity to add cosmetics and other new items to the game.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Zudikas95187 on December 05, 2016, 09:47:01 pm
one question: WHERE'S THE BRIEFCASE????
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Someone12116 on December 05, 2016, 11:12:28 pm
one question: WHERE'S THE BRIEFCASE????

Models for this version of the game do not exist, as far as I know. It's in osrs because it got added later in clue scroll expansion update.
Title: Re: Clue scroll droptables
Post by: Zudikas95187 on December 06, 2016, 08:55:24 pm
one question: WHERE'S THE BRIEFCASE????

Models for this version of the game do not exist, as far as I know. It's in osrs because it got added later in clue scroll expansion update.
i don't think it would be too hard to make a model for this version...