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Title: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Pk Xt Pk on March 24, 2019, 09:44:01 am
Hello!
I have been playing this server almost since it came out. Due to lack of player I did quit. Despite that, i remember everything associated with this server. There were a lot of players who did not want to grind as hard as in runescape and there were players who just joined in order to enjoy the uinque content.

The unique content made this server one of the best in kind. I really do not know the version of the game (bc it was a really long time ago). But the times when AGS was the best weapon in game. There werent any statius or vesta e.t.c. Young people came by because the contet of this server was really good. You could play just minigames in order to gear up. Pretty much all the skills worked perfectly.

My suggestion is that we should go a bit back in time with this server. Reset items, lets do some advertisement and there will be new players for sure.(sounds easy but if you guys put your heads together, you could do amazing things, you just need enthusiasm.) There are so many server like this ( emps world right now) but there isnt any old one, which is perfectly working.

I think that staff team should really look into a mirror and ask themselves: "how long it can carry on?" I see that Thomy dont have that much time like in past. Yes, staff team got good experiences  (no judgement), but lack of enthusiasm is the key to failure. There must be someone who could just relook everything. Make some polls.on topics what players really want.

Thats all for now, if i missed something or i am wrong let me know. In my opinion the server should be relooked.

Thanks.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Cahit on March 24, 2019, 02:41:16 pm
We learn from the past but we don't go back. Instead, we develop, improve and move forward into the future.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Martin on March 24, 2019, 03:26:32 pm
I get where you're coming from, all nostalgia has been sucked out from this game, there's no going back to the 2010/2011 era with the current game. If anything a side server could be tried out, Emps-world old-school where everyone has to make a new account from scratch. The source is from 2010/2011 era where we had old graphics, ags was enhanced by arma set, Zammy godsword dropped by kolodion, bandos dropped by banshees and all the things that made emps as we knew it back then.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Bluestorm on March 24, 2019, 06:42:01 pm
Despite that, i remember everything associated with this server.

I saw you trying to play Emps-Wars raging those portals while you're wearing a cape, you remember nothin mate.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: S Clegane on March 25, 2019, 12:21:49 pm
I agree with whole server reset.

Updates are becoming more and more unlikely for most of old players I know in person - as they suggested many of the things, waited so long to see them being implemented yet at fault is someone like me, players just for bringing it as "A Thing". I don't know where this server went wrong, all I know it's seriously demotivating lately to do anything especially give any sort of feedback towards senior staff members or owner himself as you immediately get backlash for saying out opinion out loud. I seemingly tried at start of this year to work things out. I've had numerous topics which didn't received any feedback whatsoever towards topic specifically or was considered as serious(not to mention, lashing out, trolling and familiar things which is my fault as usual since I bring stuff back).

I can assure you - it's pointless to waste time writing essay to just express how nostalgic you feel towards and just that although it's good to know there are players from old times returning to this place and hang out here.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Pk Xt Pk on March 25, 2019, 05:50:51 pm
Despite that, i remember everything associated with this server.

I saw you trying to play Emps-Wars raging those portals while you're wearing a cape, you remember nothin mate.

Well... you comment is absolutely irrelevant and pointless.
Firstly never judge someone or something by its cover, we all make mistakes. Our brain is developed to make mistakes.
Secondly if you are trying to rise your total posts, then this is not the time nor the place. I think I proved my point enough.

Side server is an idea, but we do not have enough active players for that.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Martin on March 26, 2019, 04:48:13 am
Despite that, i remember everything associated with this server.

I saw you trying to play Emps-Wars raging those portals while you're wearing a cape, you remember nothin mate.

Well... you comment is absolutely irrelevant and pointless.
Firstly never judge someone or something by its cover, we all make mistakes. Our brain is developed to make mistakes.
Secondly if you are trying to rise your total posts, then this is not the time nor the place. I think I proved my point enough.

Side server is an idea, but we do not have enough active players for that.
Thomy has said many times he will never reset the current game nor will he go back in time with it so kill that dream of yours asap and the disappointment will be easier. He won't do such thing because he has no guarantee players will like it and that they wont just straight out leave for good. Eco reset/ new game will never be a 'miracle solution' that brings back the former days of glory. I'm afraid time has done its work and all we can hope for is to swing between 50-100 at peak times.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: S Clegane on March 26, 2019, 10:00:42 am
Let's leave it be and see what it turns out. Eco already crashed greatly - it won't raise items to their peak price again. I still yet to see solutions to it. Guy wants/seeks solutions here as to why he could come back. I'll write essay, just in case, he would take a liking to read it.

As for the solutions, Thomy has shown zero interest in majority players opinion lately, not a single reply in this topic or any other that can be discussed as "a thing"... He listens perhaps just to name few, like Drugs, Jp, Martin, that Tulrak dude and some times Cahit, Earl, maybe some more I don't know even.

Other than that, do you honestly believe economy/game itself can be made to let profit for both new and old players? I mean, it's good for new ones, yes. But old ones are demotivated as hell which means they're becoming less and less hyped by changes around here. Like, seriously... He has 50-100 player community with perhaps 10 times better ideas than his favorite "pets" who are always reporting stuff to make something as advantage to them but it turns out to be broken record eventually and he's mad about players like me who are eager to help him out but can't always just sit around there and report every detail of game. I understand owner fully: he has life, uni, other irl responsibilities. But he has to understand this - he owns place, he runs it and he should accept any sort of feedback if it helps him.

As for examples about second paragraph - Take freaking revenants for a minute. When Thomy saw there is 20~ Lithuanians gathering, camping them - he immediately started changing things since Estonians couldn't get a way around. Changes were almost immediate! You see? But when Lithuanian suggested let's not change that place, perhaps buff wildywyrms/gulegas drops a bit but not whole - he wasn't listening to it. And now, revenants are rarely being killed... We kinda split as clan, meaning every update us affects individually and not everything is so good as it is in few eyes.

Just saying - you gotta take into account not what's best working at your workplace but what's best for community and if you don't have interest to listen to it as whole - then why even try to update something? Why listen something is bad/good when you can leave it be and see how it plays out... Surely you can't be serious to make people quit because they are not being understood or their opinion doesn't matter? I wished he listen'd to more of players like these and came to compromise instead of ignoring most of our opinions as they are not bashing, lashing out in any way whatsoever(even though it might look like it).

And what's with every 5 - 10 minutes typing ::flushmodels or ::reloadmap ? I bring this up since it's annoying game play to type additional commands which should be exclusive to Staff only yet meh, let players use commands to fullest... Is graphical issue that bad that players need those commands as oxygen? If there's problem - talk with community, trying to come up with solution is better than being silent and doing something that eventually turns out to be worse case scenario than before, no one is judging you for being single developer around here but believe me they are eager to help/aid you in any way they can - point is not everyone is being understood the way they want to be.

Hands down, I'm done with feedbacks or notes to it. I don't know how many of people like this are left but I just hope there will be more who actually give solution, feedback instead of 1 row sentence "Been there done that" when nothing better comes out of it.

P.S. It's up to Staff if they only see me as neglecting object here - everyone has opinion and it suppose to be counted as well as his existence in this community.(this is message for approval, can be deleted afterwards if it seems with too much criticism)
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Martin on March 26, 2019, 04:47:51 pm
@wg you can remove my name from the list lol he does not listen to me. And i agree that the change he did to rev cave was rushed and a very bad one, he ruined our whole competetive scene and revs aren't worth killing anymore. The only way we can bring the community together is to promote activities that make us interact with eachother but majority of the active players are ironmen so it's going to be difficult. I don't know why I'm still talking in the form of 'we' i guess it's an old habit but clearly there's no point in me pointing out any flaws anymore as there are like 1-2 people who actually discuss and care. I'm rather disappointed in the staff team for not doing anything significant to make things better, they mostly sit like trophies in a museum, waiting for someone to do something or for something to happen out of the air.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: S Clegane on March 26, 2019, 04:58:58 pm
MB man. But truth to be told, that's exactly what drives communities down - 0 interesting in interacting with each other.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Ralphe10 on March 26, 2019, 05:03:33 pm
@wg you can remove my name from the list lol he does not listen to me. And i agree that the change he did to rev cave was rushed and a very bad one, he ruined our whole competetive scene and revs aren't worth killing anymore. The only way we can bring the community together is to promote activities that make us interact with eachother but majority of the active players are ironmen so it's going to be difficult. I don't know why I'm still talking in the form of 'we' i guess it's an old habit but clearly there's no point in me pointing out any flaws anymore as there are like 1-2 people who actually discuss and care. I'm rather disappointed in the staff team for not doing anything significant to make things better, they mostly sit like trophies in a museum, waiting for someone to do something or for something to happen out of the air.
Go kill gulegas instead.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Martin on March 26, 2019, 05:15:23 pm
What are you talking about ralphe? your comment proves how oblivious you are to our discussion.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Drugs on March 26, 2019, 08:49:52 pm
Let's leave it be and see what it turns out. Eco already crashed greatly - it won't raise items to their peak price again. I still yet to see solutions to it. Guy wants/seeks solutions here as to why he could come back. I'll write essay, just in case, he would take a liking to read it.

As for the solutions, Thomy has shown zero interest in majority players opinion lately, not a single reply in this topic or any other that can be discussed as "a thing"... He listens perhaps just to name few, like Drugs, Jp, Martin, that Tulrak dude and some times Cahit, Earl, maybe some more I don't know even.

Other than that, do you honestly believe economy/game itself can be made to let profit for both new and old players? I mean, it's good for new ones, yes. But old ones are demotivated as hell which means they're becoming less and less hyped by changes around here. Like, seriously... He has 50-100 player community with perhaps 10 times better ideas than his favorite "pets" who are always reporting stuff to make something as advantage to them but it turns out to be broken record eventually and he's mad about players like me who are eager to help him out but can't always just sit around there and report every detail of game. I understand owner fully: he has life, uni, other irl responsibilities. But he has to understand this - he owns place, he runs it and he should accept any sort of feedback if it helps him.

As for examples about second paragraph - Take freaking revenants for a minute. When Thomy saw there is 20~ Lithuanians gathering, camping them - he immediately started changing things since Estonians couldn't get a way around. Changes were almost immediate! You see? But when Lithuanian suggested let's not change that place, perhaps buff wildywyrms/gulegas drops a bit but not whole - he wasn't listening to it. And now, revenants are rarely being killed... We kinda split as clan, meaning every update us affects individually and not everything is so good as it is in few eyes.

Just saying - you gotta take into account not what's best working at your workplace but what's best for community and if you don't have interest to listen to it as whole - then why even try to update something? Why listen something is bad/good when you can leave it be and see how it plays out... Surely you can't be serious to make people quit because they are not being understood or their opinion doesn't matter? I wished he listen'd to more of players like these and came to compromise instead of ignoring most of our opinions as they are not bashing, lashing out in any way whatsoever(even though it might look like it).

And what's with every 5 - 10 minutes typing ::flushmodels or ::reloadmap ? I bring this up since it's annoying game play to type additional commands which should be exclusive to Staff only yet meh, let players use commands to fullest... Is graphical issue that bad that players need those commands as oxygen? If there's problem - talk with community, trying to come up with solution is better than being silent and doing something that eventually turns out to be worse case scenario than before, no one is judging you for being single developer around here but believe me they are eager to help/aid you in any way they can - point is not everyone is being understood the way they want to be.

Hands down, I'm done with feedbacks or notes to it. I don't know how many of people like this are left but I just hope there will be more who actually give solution, feedback instead of 1 row sentence "Been there done that" when nothing better comes out of it.

P.S. It's up to Staff if they only see me as neglecting object here - everyone has opinion and it suppose to be counted as well as his existence in this community.(this is message for approval, can be deleted afterwards if it seems with too much criticism)
Tldr: rev caves update was bad, models disappearing is bad
I agree
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Tulrak on March 26, 2019, 10:50:09 pm
As for the solutions, Thomy has shown zero interest in majority players opinion lately, not a single reply in this topic or any other that can be discussed as "a thing"... He listens perhaps just to name few, like Drugs, Jp, Martin, that Tulrak dude and some times Cahit, Earl, maybe some more I don't know even.

I noticed something similar like 2 years ago, when Charr and Saoledpede1 were the ones who got things done, even some really stupid things that were reverted afterwards. My solution was to simply turn to Charr instead of trying to appeal to Thomy, because Charr was full of bad ideas and so I tried my best to a be a filter for those ideas. I spent a lot of time arguing with Charr and proving to him that he's wrong, before he had a chance to spread many of those ideas.

I'd suggest that you do the same, try to become a part of his inner circle or try to appeal to people who are already in his inner circle. I don't think that's true for most people on that list, it's unlikely that it's true for Drugs, Cahit or Earl and it's certainly not true for me. But you might notice that the people who Thomy has listened to tend to have been high-ranking staff members, so climbing the staff ladder to get more access to him might be the way to go.

One problem with Thomy is that he's not trying to look at things from a player's perspective, which I found out when I was discussing the economy and got a reply from Thomy where he justified his belief that the economy is doing well by looking at the grand exchange market watcher and saying that the prices seem stable. From that I suspect that the reason revenants were changed was not because of the people who complained about it, but because it had an effect on the whole market.

Also why am I "that Tulrak dude"?
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: S Clegane on March 26, 2019, 11:43:40 pm
As for the solutions, Thomy has shown zero interest in majority players opinion lately, not a single reply in this topic or any other that can be discussed as "a thing"... He listens perhaps just to name few, like Drugs, Jp, Martin, that Tulrak dude and some times Cahit, Earl, maybe some more I don't know even.

I noticed something similar like 2 years ago, when Charr and Saoledpede1 were the ones who got things done, even some really stupid things that were reverted afterwards. My solution was to simply turn to Charr instead of trying to appeal to Thomy, because Charr was full of bad ideas and so I tried my best to a be a filter for those ideas. I spent a lot of time arguing with Charr and proving to him that he's wrong, before he had a chance to spread many of those ideas.

I'd suggest that you do the same, try to become a part of his inner circle or try to appeal to people who are already in his inner circle. I don't think that's true for most people on that list, it's unlikely that it's true for Drugs, Cahit or Earl and it's certainly not true for me. But you might notice that the people who Thomy has listened to tend to have been high-ranking staff members, so climbing the staff ladder to get more access to him might be the way to go.

One problem with Thomy is that he's not trying to look at things from a player's perspective, which I found out when I was discussing the economy and got a reply from Thomy where he justified his belief that the economy is doing well by looking at the grand exchange market watcher and saying that the prices seem stable. From that I suspect that the reason revenants were changed was not because of the people who complained about it, but because it had an effect on the whole market.

Also why am I "that Tulrak dude"?
I will address "that Tulrak dude" if its necessary.

Not sure how you took those words but I wanted to point you out especially since you are managing Wiki Team at the moment(Correct me if I'm wrong here) which are doing an amazing job so far, as for others, just named the ones that caught my eyes recently by few topics/reports they've been making.

While becoming part of his inner circle may prove to be beneficial for me or another player, being staff member rank doesn't define that Thomy will listen to you more. There is other ways to do it and one was actually today.

Revenant drops always were somehow dropping slowly, in terms of price, now they've risen to their average price but I've wanted to point out not the economy issue with revenants. It's that their lack of unique drops that could be utilize for further use are somewhat unbearable to see, as only groups of Pkers and few slayer task pvmers lurk around in that area, no one else.

What I'm interested in, is what I saw today even for a mere moment. Discord Server of Emps - Feature discussion channel where eventually Thomy took what was bearing him probably most of the time(not quite sure, can't confirm 100%) and spilled it out. That's what community is all about - interracting, communicating and seeking compromise/solution to any sort of idea which could be manifested into something really beneficial for server itself rather than solely counting on single opinions on multiple topics. Even if he doesn't look from player's perspective - I don't suppose rejecting anything player encounters that doesn't just seem right should be declined.

I might not earn Thomy's respect for a lifetime, that doesn't matter, what matters for me is how we can contribute to him to make it easier for him to see the issues and come up with best solutions he can. I wouldn't want to see his work went down the drain as I appreciate what he is doing so far. I just hope he sees that I'm dignified enough and not bashing out here or something.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Ameer on March 27, 2019, 12:15:22 pm
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I can't understand why would you even point a finger at us, since you were a staff member your self for god knows how long yet you blame us for not doing anything eventho you know how things works here.

I just finished reading almost every reply apart from ralphe's as I don't really have a lot of free time for such long replies,
Wg, I don't really know what to say, that Lith/est fight is deeply inside your mind that every move or reply by him or anyone else is treated by you as a est/lith thingy, trust me thats not how things works.


I do believe that we have a serious problem that we have been trying to put some ice on it for a long time and pretend that its getting better with time, yet it keeps on showing up even more painful than it used to be.
I agree with every word Tulrak has said in his reply ( apart from that circle thingy ), I've said it few times as long as We as players and Thomy and not looking at things at the same way then we can't come to a solution, its been like this for 5 years and might be for another 5 as well if we somehow survive that long.
Thomy is currently working on a new skill that is supposed to help the eco a bit however hopefully the rewards of what people are getting from ' destroying ' or whatever its gonna be aren't bad at all so we can finally do some progress.


I am 100% against game / eco reset, lets just not throw away hours and hours of players lifes just because the game got into problems,
its more like a country asking its people to destroy all of their houses because they are facing some problems.

Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Rotanas on March 28, 2019, 06:14:51 am
stop talking shit about eco, stats reset. old school graphic and make all game back to good 2011 years when banshees droped bandos armours.

i know 9 friends from my village who played emps scape and tryed emps world they do not play this game anymore not because eco shit, they dont like graphics or not many players online, true reason is they are lazy to play this game anymore.

true reason why players leaving this game not because they got cleaned at duel, or bad eco but because they are lazy, they don't wanna progress anymore, they dont wanna be top of highscores  they dont care about items, coins or even acc anymore. so most of the players go to duel thinking if i will become richer 50x times from duel i will have more motivation to continue this game. same shit with my friends and same shit with 80% players who played this game.

if emps will roll back to 2011 times i guarantee 100% situation will be even worse or same shit.

emps scape played so many players not because this was a good server but because this rsps was created at perfect time with perfect name (emps scape)
thats how he got popular. long story figure it out yourself. plus i remember emps scape times i dont think 300-400 players online extremely a'lot so stop bitching.

doesn't matter what updates we will suggest or what updates thomy will make. hard to accept but emps scape times will not come back.

Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Cahit on March 28, 2019, 08:21:18 am
We might not be able to bring the golden days back but we can do one thing better which is to work together and never give up the hope that we can become the best if not then definitely not like the rest  ;)
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Antebellum on April 11, 2019, 07:36:49 pm
I do seemed to notice lack of staff members online when i was still playing. Have not been online for almost 2 weeks now and i have barely any clue if thats still the issue.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: No C0 Skill on June 26, 2019, 10:46:59 am
This new emps is trash, I agree.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Cahit on June 26, 2019, 12:56:58 pm
This new emps is trash, I agree.
Saying that the game is trash won't make any changes or improvements. If you really want the best for it you could become the change yourself and strive to help the community instead of being so negative.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Saif Nawaf on June 26, 2019, 10:46:21 pm
absolutely correct. "life is like an icecream enjoy it before it melts"
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Game Wiki on June 27, 2019, 07:43:20 am
Seemingly this discussion went from good/healthy to worse.

Let's throw few facts I noticed this month from my perspective:

- Selling/Buying has become less likely even after month of waiting. I don't recall is it Ironman Mode that was introduced or rather less and less people pushing items through G.E. Either way, -1 for Economy.
- Trying to sell items(demon ones, GWD and 3rd age armour/weapons) putting 5% bigger price makes players go bananas as it is too much and they can't afford it, yet after buying for less, they tend to sell it for more even though knowing no one will buy and they will most likely alch them or just drop in some DP. -1 for Economy.
- From skilling perspective, sorry for not doing alone skilling for whole server to be supplied with skilling material but trying to buy herbs/secondaries - you must do crazy price to buy them instantly, otherwise you are bound to wait for whole month and see that none of them are still bought. A lot of monsters drop herbs, we have herb sack with which you can collect them, why not make extra profit for member ticket and keep skilling supplies coming via G.E. rather than keep 2K+ of potions in bank and not using them all at once. -1 for Economy.
- Last one, Saif is right and I agree with it. It sure is melting. +1.

What I propose we can do:

Is we throw more cash ing to let players buy more items as right now killing Glacors - one of the top tier Slayer monster is as profitable as Green Dragons or perhaps, Spectrals. Even pures can do it with ease. Lately, I barely see anyone selling any item via G.E. as either players go and get themselves(usually Ironman) or they just alch it for some cash. Correct me if I'm wrong but I noticed that whole economy started crashing from the time Ironman were introduced. Instantly gave the idea of making items on your own and not buying anything. Now, reality is such that 80% or somewhere near it, is Ironman accounts and less and less likely, mains that could be buying/selling items or supplies. Not blaming Ironman as whole, it's player choice what to do in here but I like how there is 40 - 50 players online up to this date and barely 10-15 of them give feedback towards this or any other related topic. Maybe, some interraction with players are needed? Perhaps, more broadcasting sentences could be added to attract them to use Forums/Discord to give opinion? I solely wanna hear how that Eco solution will solve this problem I have noted in facts above.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Cahit on June 28, 2019, 01:41:06 am
Seemingly this discussion went from good/healthy to worse.

Let's throw few facts I noticed this month from my perspective:

- Selling/Buying has become less likely even after month of waiting. I don't recall is it Ironman Mode that was introduced or rather less and less people pushing items through G.E. Either way, -1 for Economy.
- Trying to sell items(demon ones, GWD and 3rd age armour/weapons) putting 5% bigger price makes players go bananas as it is too much and they can't afford it, yet after buying for less, they tend to sell it for more even though knowing no one will buy and they will most likely alch them or just drop in some DP. -1 for Economy.
- From skilling perspective, sorry for not doing alone skilling for whole server to be supplied with skilling material but trying to buy herbs/secondaries - you must do crazy price to buy them instantly, otherwise you are bound to wait for whole month and see that none of them are still bought. A lot of monsters drop herbs, we have herb sack with which you can collect them, why not make extra profit for member ticket and keep skilling supplies coming via G.E. rather than keep 2K+ of potions in bank and not using them all at once. -1 for Economy.
- Last one, Saif is right and I agree with it. It sure is melting. +1.

What I propose we can do:

Is we throw more cash ing to let players buy more items as right now killing Glacors - one of the top tier Slayer monster is as profitable as Green Dragons or perhaps, Spectrals. Even pures can do it with ease. Lately, I barely see anyone selling any item via G.E. as either players go and get themselves(usually Ironman) or they just alch it for some cash. Correct me if I'm wrong but I noticed that whole economy started crashing from the time Ironman were introduced. Instantly gave the idea of making items on your own and not buying anything. Now, reality is such that 80% or somewhere near it, is Ironman accounts and less and less likely, mains that could be buying/selling items or supplies. Not blaming Ironman as whole, it's player choice what to do in here but I like how there is 40 - 50 players online up to this date and barely 10-15 of them give feedback towards this or any other related topic. Maybe, some interraction with players are needed? Perhaps, more broadcasting sentences could be added to attract them to use Forums/Discord to give opinion? I solely wanna hear how that Eco solution will solve this problem I have noted in facts above.
It's good that you are noticing the on-going economy concern ing and showing awareness about it. We are all worried about the situation and hope that the release of the upcoming invention skill, together with what it has to offer will leave a positive change behind. Up until that point, there isn't really much we can do besides sharing our opinions and giving feedback like you did.

Considering that there are already plenty exciting updates planned ahead, it will take some time to get things done because all the work is on Thomy himself and we will try our best to support him.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Game Wiki on June 28, 2019, 02:41:48 am
Well, in advance, by that I meant that I visited lately several other RSPS just to see what they have to offer, what they lacks and vice versa.

I can give you just a few examples:

With player base with around 40 - 60 players at best on peaks, server has 5 developers, at least 3 - 6 Staff members and that's it. No need for 10+ Staff which don't contribute in developing field when it's needed the most. Sharing same player base with usually same player count, they solve issues real fast real quick. Not even slightest trouble is required to be reported - it immediately gets notified by moderator or administrator or even developer themselves and instant fix, with slight shutdown of server just to re-roll things smoothly and see how everything is working out. No need to reproduce, no need to make specific videos/animated clips, to demonstrate where and what kind of bug/glitch lies within game. Sharing estimate specifications of majority of players, Thomy should get a hang of at least seeing how hardware and software interacts on different platform with various specs on PC/Laptop. Not everyone has 1k+ Euro PC to just manage to play on client of Emps-World.

Staff Team wanted to avoid any further discussion on events so they multiplied what is so called Event Bosses - Randomly generated NPC somewhere on safe or non-safe map part placed with hitpoint levels ranging from 1000 - 10000(knowing how much damage players can deal, 10k looks like taking a nap.) Even so, you get the loot if you manage to deal 200+ damage to any of the Bosses with 5k+ hitpoints. Just a small crack to earn players some easy money and make lively Wilderness perhaps. Straight up idea, solution.

Moving on, Emps-World is the only server perhaps which I encountered that doesn't have yet informing messages which could drastically help out newcomers indeed. If I'm not mistaken, Ameer suggested it(can be wrong on this one). I supported idea and still support it, as it surely eases up likely game play of new player who isn't much familiar with the content yet. Broadcasts should apply to extremely rare drops, not constant and out wide but in the area where players camp/kill monsters to avoid spam which would be caused by initial part of this paragraph. As for G.E., let's see what invention does to economy but I'm betting my cards on point that eventually, for economy, something needs to be done more than just one new skill.

The only thing Emps-World has for sure, without doubt, is stability of server itself. Stabilizing server can be troublesome thing to do sometimes, I believe. It is huge plus for it but downsides should not overshadow what it was in prime or what it will be in future. And yes, Cahit, you're correct on point that Thomy is still solo developer, everyone who still hangs here appreciate his work here, most likely has a lot of respect for keeping this server up, including myself. I'm not huge fan of seeing problems get inside and spread like virus, I like to seek solution to keep it clean, ya know?

Also, by now, some should've realized if anyone cares as much or more than some do, they wouldn't be silent and say something to it. Dead silence is solution to nothing else but end.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Ameer on June 28, 2019, 10:44:27 am
Well according to what I've understood above, thats a big PLUS we give to Thomy, he managed to keep the game running, with ~50 players online with a lot of other personal stuff that I can't mention here.
I don't see any harm on having a larg staff team, it would be perfect to cover the whole day, We are not 10's anymore We can't be online the whole day compared to younger players around so having a full team could actually be a good thing.


The only thing we both might agree on is Eco, Imo it should be a priority to fix any problems related to it.
According to Thomy we have a stable Eco, which is true, prices aren't dropping crazily in a short period of time, therefore Yes eco is stable.
however Imo, we already have a lot of items ing that some of it should find a way to leave the game, I see everyday ~40 items enters the game without any leaving which is causing a serious problem for the majority.

The problem is, they're complaining about it ing which we as a staff team or Thomy can't see it.
More posts about a problem with an explanation of why and how to get it solved = the higher the chance it does gets changed.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Game Wiki on June 28, 2019, 11:56:09 am
Well according to what I've understood above, thats a big PLUS we give to Thomy, he managed to keep the game running, with ~50 players online with a lot of other personal stuff that I can't mention here.
I don't see any harm on having a larg staff team, it would be perfect to cover the whole day, We are not 10's anymore We can't be online the whole day compared to younger players around so having a full team could actually be a good thing.


The only thing we both might agree on is Eco, Imo it should be a priority to fix any problems related to it.
According to Thomy we have a stable Eco, which is true, prices aren't dropping crazily in a short period of time, therefore Yes eco is stable.
however Imo, we already have a lot of items ing that some of it should find a way to leave the game, I see everyday ~40 items enters the game without any leaving which is causing a serious problem for the majority.

The problem is, they're complaining about it ing which we as a staff team or Thomy can't see it.
More posts about a problem with an explanation of why and how to get it solved = the higher the chance it does gets changed.
^ This and https://emps-world.net/forum/suggestions-ideas/server-events/?~21638 Sorry for digging up the post.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Ameer on June 28, 2019, 12:40:21 pm
Well according to what I've understood above, thats a big PLUS we give to Thomy, he managed to keep the game running, with ~50 players online with a lot of other personal stuff that I can't mention here.
I don't see any harm on having a larg staff team, it would be perfect to cover the whole day, We are not 10's anymore We can't be online the whole day compared to younger players around so having a full team could actually be a good thing.


The only thing we both might agree on is Eco, Imo it should be a priority to fix any problems related to it.
According to Thomy we have a stable Eco, which is true, prices aren't dropping crazily in a short period of time, therefore Yes eco is stable.
however Imo, we already have a lot of items ing that some of it should find a way to leave the game, I see everyday ~40 items enters the game without any leaving which is causing a serious problem for the majority.

The problem is, they're complaining about it ing which we as a staff team or Thomy can't see it.
More posts about a problem with an explanation of why and how to get it solved = the higher the chance it does gets changed.
^ This and https://emps-world.net/forum/suggestions-ideas/server-events/?~21638 Sorry for digging up the post.

That is a good idea, however we should keep in mind that Thomy is the only person coding the game, things might take much longer than expected.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Drugs on June 28, 2019, 09:16:11 pm
I'll fix it later np
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: S Clegane on June 30, 2019, 06:25:36 pm
I'll fix it later np
The only thing you fixing is type you take donations at G.E. whenever you're online nowadays. Which is surprisingly good grammar example for those who beg money in G.E. Other than that, I still yet to see you provide innovative ideas for economy fixing since you are talking non-sense and most likely people support you do the same way.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Drugs on June 30, 2019, 11:52:00 pm
I'll fix it later np
The only thing you fixing is type you take donations at G.E. whenever you're online nowadays. Which is surprisingly good grammar example for those who beg money in G.E. Other than that, I still yet to see you provide innovative ideas for economy fixing since you are talking non-sense and most likely people support you do the same way.
I said I'll fix it calm down
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Game Wiki on July 02, 2019, 12:04:59 pm
I'll fix it later np
The only thing you fixing is type you take donations at G.E. whenever you're online nowadays. Which is surprisingly good grammar example for those who beg money in G.E. Other than that, I still yet to see you provide innovative ideas for economy fixing since you are talking non-sense and most likely people support you do the same way.
I said I'll fix it calm down
Then start fixing...
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Just Humen on July 03, 2019, 11:55:14 am
I'll fix it later np
The only thing you fixing is type you take donations at G.E. whenever you're online nowadays. Which is surprisingly good grammar example for those who beg money in G.E. Other than that, I still yet to see you provide innovative ideas for economy fixing since you are talking non-sense and most likely people support you do the same way.
I said I'll fix it calm down
Then start fixing...

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Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Avenus on July 03, 2019, 03:32:29 pm
When you get a generation that started playing this game at a certain age, and they grow up and find new interest and hobbies. That's when you get a real problem. Most of the players that came to World, used to play in Scape. One thing is recruiting new players. Another thing is to maintain the playerbase and keep them saticfied so they will keep on playing.

For me, it appears like the reason the playerbase is shrinking day by day is because the players that have always been here, quit playing without Emps being able to recruit new players. Is there a market to recruit new players? Can emps-world compare to games kids start playing now?

When i started playing Emps back in 2008, there were 3 big games that kids on my age played.

1. Runescape
2. Habbo Hotel
3. Counter-Strike

These were the 3 games that people i interacted with irl at school, sports and etcetera was interested in.

Runescape took big actions to maintain the playerbase they have by releasing EOC and probably some other stupid stuff.
Habbo in the Nordic countries was all cut out, but they kept their UK server.
CS got a huge boost in releasing the competetive scene in CS;GO.

What innovative have Emps-World done? What can one man innovate a private server to be? How on earth, will Thomy get a random 8 year old kid to start play Emps-World over Fortnite? Runescape was big when i grew up, and thats why the transaction to Emps was fun and easy.

But if i go to ask a younger kid today about what games he likes to play. He will most likely say Fortnite. If i ask him what Runescape is, he wont know.

All credit to Thomy, for what he have done and accomplished over the years. All the knowledge he have learned by programming this game will be a good asset for his future jobs, and i am sure he will do well anywhere he decide to go. I just dont see any hope to grow this server with the current video-game market available for the new generation.

Either he needs to hire some innovative executives from Netflix or Apple and get a bigger development team and reinvent runescape private servers. Or just lay it dead, and realise that now its's time to put Emps to rest. Cash out while you can.


Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Tulrak on July 03, 2019, 03:54:15 pm
When you get a generation that started playing this game at a certain age, and they grow up and find new interest and hobbies. That's when you get a real problem. Most of the players that came to World, used to play in Scape. One thing is recruiting new players. Another thing is to maintain the playerbase and keep them saticfied so they will keep on playing.

For me, it appears like the reason the playerbase is shrinking day by day is because the players that have always been here, quit playing without Emps being able to recruit new players. Is there a market to recruit new players? Can emps-world compare to games kids start playing now?

When i started playing Emps back in 2008, there were 3 big games that kids on my age played.

1. Runescape
2. Habbo Hotel
3. Counter-Strike

These were the 3 games that people i interacted with irl at school, sports and etcetera was interested in.

Runescape took big actions to maintain the playerbase they have by releasing EOC and probably some other stupid stuff.
Habbo in the Nordic countries was all cut out, but they kept their UK server.
CS got a huge boost in releasing the competetive scene in CS;GO.

What innovative have Emps-World done? What can one man innovate a private server to be? How on earth, will Thomy get a random 8 year old kid to start play Emps-World over Fortnite? Runescape was big when i grew up, and thats why the transaction to Emps was fun and easy.

But if i go to ask a younger kid today about what games he likes to play. He will most likely say Fortnite. If i ask him what Runescape is, he wont know.

All credit to Thomy, for what he have done and accomplished over the years. All the knowledge he have learned by programming this game will be a good asset for his future jobs, and i am sure he will do well anywhere he decide to go. I just dont see any hope to grow this server with the current video-game market available for the new generation.

Either he needs to hire some innovative executives from Netflix or Apple and get a bigger development team and reinvent runescape private servers. Or just lay it dead, and realise that now its's time to put Emps to rest. Cash out while you can.

TL;DR: We need Emps battle royale?
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Game Wiki on July 04, 2019, 07:06:25 am
Wonder, how long will everything here keep up with other online games or servers. Agreed with Avenus, it's brilliantly clear that server needs either overhaul change as whole or strive till shutdown, kick in few notches with small updates every month or so. If only there were more developers of this server... not only Thomy.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: B Bunny on July 07, 2019, 10:44:25 am
We learn from the past but we don't go back. Instead, we develop, improve and move forward into the future.

Such a stupid answer... It seems that you haven't learned anything. The more you "Develop, improve and move forward" The more the server suffers. Face the truth, there isn't any players. But if you are okay with 20+ players a day, then it shows a lot how much you really care.
Title: Re: All or nothing @Thomy
Post by: Cahit on July 07, 2019, 02:25:51 pm
We learn from the past but we don't go back. Instead, we develop, improve and move forward into the future.

Such a stupid answer... It seems that you haven't learned anything. The more you "Develop, improve and move forward" The more the server suffers. Face the truth, there isn't any players. But if you are okay with 20+ players a day, then it shows a lot how much you really care.
At least I don't go around making new accounts to reply salty comments with and I'm sure I do care more than what you do.