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Emps-World => Feedback => Topic started by: Someone12116 on September 22, 2015, 09:42:32 pm
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I have seen a lot of complaints about this from PKers recently. In case you don't know what I am talking about, they are mostly complaining about Dragon Darts, Morrigan's Javelins and Onyx bolts being too powerful. However, I personally do not think that is true.
Let's begin by comparing the highest-hitting Ranged weapons to the highest-hitting Melee weapons. Ranged has Dark Bow, Hunter's Crossbow and Ogre Composite Bow, while Melee has Armadyl Godsword, Dragon Claws, Granite Maul, Dragon Dagger and Vesta's Spear. What is the biggest difference of the Ranged weapons compared to the melee weapons? That's right, their PRICE! There isn't a single Ranged weapon that costs over 10M, while only two of the previously mentioned Melee weapons cost less than 10M. This is what makes people think they are OP: they pack some serious punch for so little cost. In other words, they are way too common.
In addition to this, something like Morrigan's Javelins and Dragon Darts do not even require an actual weapon to use. While it isn't a huge problem with Dragon Darts (they aren't used as a KO weapon, but as weapon for sustained DPS), it becomes a problem with the Javelins. You don't need to invest 50M into the Javelins like you have to invest into an AGS, for example, to get an extremely high-hitting Range KO'er.
Now it's time for the armor. This is a damn no-brainer, to be honest. Fire Cape, Strength Amulet (t), Climber Boots, Red Party Hat VS Ava, Amulet of Ranging, Ranger Boots and Robin Hat. You can get the whole Ranged set for the price of Fire Cape and still have some extra cash left. There is either way too much supply (which I think is the case) or way too little demand on Ranged items. Too much supply is definitely the case for Avas and Ranger Sets: you can, or at least could, get 20+ Avas by simply AFKing Castle Wars over a double ticket weekend, and Ranger Sets are dropped by Black Demons, instead of Kolodion back in Emps-Scape (they are also dropped by Wildy Wyrms, but the number of sets coming from there is only a fraction of what comes from the Black Demons).
Cheap Ranged armor + cheap Ranged weapons = everyone using Ranged, making some people think that Ranged is OP.
My conclusion: something should be done to make Ranged items less common. Sure, it will take a long ass time to actually see a change like this make a difference at this point, but I personally think it's better for the game in the long run.
- Ranger Boots and Robin Hats should be disposed of the drop tables of Black Demons. They should be kept as rare drops From WildyWyrms and maybe added as rare drops from Chaos Elemental as well
- Increase the ticket cost of Avas in Castle Wars store, significantly
- Make Hunter's Crossbow cost more Slayer Points
- Make Morrigan's Javelins drop in smaller quantities
- Finally, make Dark Bows more rare from Dark Beast
I will take no part in discussing nerfs/buffs. I will only say that nerfing something because it is OP in Wilderness will ALSO have an effect in PvMing. I do not want to see Ranged becoming completely useless compared to melee against bosses, because of some PKers crying about OP weapons.
Feedback on my feedback is more than appreciated. Oh, and Neptune Ink, this is how you create a proper feedback thread.
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10/10.
This couldn't be any more true. I agree with the bullet point "suggestions" as well, I've obtained over 30 ranger sets from black demons, and it takes 0 effort to kill them. We don't need nerfs, nerfing it isn't the problem, as you've stated range is most favoured because it's a cheap set to use whilst in the wilderness. You're not going to risk a 40M godsword when you can risk a complete set that costs you 15M. I also hope everyone else understands this won't be a quick fix, but it will be more beneficial than just nerfing the range skill completely. Apologies if you think I've just re-stated what you've already said, just wanted to give my opinion too(which is clearly the same as yours).
Top feedback, I also think this wouldn't do any harm in the suggestions board aswell(maybe just make a suggestion topic with the suggestions in it) so that your suggested fixes could be implemented asap.
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Idk.idh.these."connections".of.thought.after.not.playing.for.3.months.even.more.pking.but..Idk.take.it.how.it.is.
Most.of.the.people.complaining.are.pures.
I.used.to.run.around.wild.rekting.pures.with.addy.gloves.glory.ammy.darts.and.ogre.bow.(i.would.even.fight.maxed.60atk.pures.in.maxed.gear..they.would.all.run.because.of.my.risk.and.at.the.same.time.risking.1m.I.could.easily.kill.them)
You.really.dont.need.robin.hats.or.ava.to.hit.good.with.darts.or.comp.bow.
The.only.reason.to.use.them.was.that.they.were.slightly.better.and.ava.costs.like.500k.and.robin.set.like.100k.so.why.not.But.in.reality.using.them.made.little.to.no.change.
even.more.why.use.them.while.no.other.rangepures.were.
There.were.90%.pures.without.robin.or.ava.I.doubt.they.were.all.too.poor.to.afford.600k.set.They.really.didnt.contribute.anything.towards.fighting.vs.melee.pures.
You.could.fuck.them.up.with.darts.ogre.and.javs.while.having.little.to.none.gear.
hcbow.was.automatic.lose.when.dead...I.dont.think.that.it.should.rise.more.in.price.to.shoot.bolts.
Bolts.as.pure.was.for.fun.and.it.was.risky.but.at.the.same.time.pretty.rewarding...tho.darts.and.ogre.bow.would.still.put.up.a.huge.fight.against.cbow.maybe.even.a.better.fight.that.cbow.would.ever.do.so.
again.idkidkidkidk.
but.to.me.it.seems.that.darts.should.hit.fucking.shit.and.be.garbage.when.youre.using.no.gear...same.with.other.ranged.items..but.on.the.same.time.wtf.can.you.really.add.to.pures.to.make.them.hit.more?Gearwise.
thomy.should.probably.nerf.every.ranged.weapon.heavily.when.used.with.no.bonuses...make.robin.and.other.ranged.gear.pretty.rare.and.give.them.good.bonuses.so.you.only.hit.good.with.darts.when.you.use.robin.or.idk.
to.me.it.seems.that.ranged.darts.javs.etc.were.fucking.accurate.on.pures.even.with.not.a.single.item.of.gear.equipt.
so.lets.assume.robin.set.is.like.30m.it.makes.you.hit.good.with.ranged.weapons.as.a.pure.but.without.it.you.hit.garbage.so.you.can.fight.other.people.without.risk.fairly..And.you.couldnt.fight.against.people.who.risk.more.and.actually.hit.better.than.them.
So.kids.with.no.risk.couldnt.fuck.up.pures.with.good.armour.And.at.the.same.time.if.you.use.a.good.ranged.armor.you.can.fight.against.melee.pures.and.you.both.risk.alot.and.have.a.fair.chance.of.winning.the.fight.
but.then.again.theres.gmaul.that.hits.pretty.good.with.no.gear.so.you.would.have.to.change.melee.to.same.logic.so.dds.no.gear.wouldnt.hit.30-30.so.often.only.when.used.with.good.bonuses...that.would.fuck.up.the.game.and.make.it.more.like.that.people.with.wealthy.bank.have.an.edge.in.wild...BUT.THEN.AGAIN.they.wouldnt.have.that.edge.against.people.who.risk.same.and.have.same.bonuses.
BUT.THEN.AGAIN.people.would.quit.pking.cause.atm.wild.is.pretty.fucking.easy.for.pures.to.make.bank.cause.you.can.rekt.people.with.risk.ez.without.risking.over.1m
idk.im.not.gonna.suggest.anything.im.just.gonna.say.1.thing.
pures.are.pussies.you.are.all.punch.of.whining.fucks.who.cant.take.what.you.have.and.turn.it.into.profit.for.yourself.
you.all.expect.a.emps-scape.balance.from.wild.but.you.cant.have.it.because.emps-scape.didnt.fucking.have.javs.claws.oridkfk.
you.cant.have.that.era.back.when.pure.risk.fights.were.against.people.risking.alot.and.k0ing.with.gmaul.
eworld.has.given.you.soooooooofucccccckingmuch.but.you.still.whine.Back.in.scape.we.fought.against.maxed.mains.while.being.gmauler.pures.and.k0ing.them.with.gmauls.NOW.YOU.HAVE.JAVS.CLAWS.AND.THIS.OTHER.SHIT.AND.YOU.CANT.EVEN.KILL.ANOTHER.PURE.
My.first.acc.was.gmauler.I.used.to.fish.like.god.knows.howmany.hours.a.day.to.get.best.set.for.my.pure.then.I.went.to.wild.died.and.repated...I.went.fishing.again...to.get.risk.fights.
Anything.above.this.line.was.a.random.thought.not.my.suggestion..
to.all.pures:
-buy.2.javs.and.comp.bow
-go.to.wild
-wait.till.someone.with.high.risk.comes
-log.in.under.him.from.world2
-jav.him.and.compbow.to.finish
-I.guarantee.he.cant.even.react
-loot.maxed.pure.set
-ez50m
-go.to.duel.area.stake.your.50m.and.lose.it
-come.to.forums.to.cry.how.uneven.purepking.is
Loljk.I.can.tell.thats.what.most.of.you.did.
Fuckingpkers.only.whine.while.having.0.ideas.how.to.fix.your.own.wild.that.you.so.much.love.
dont.see.any.pkers.in.feedback.thread.giving.feedback.and.ideas.only.fucking.whining.on.shoutbox.
the.only.2.things.that.I.can.see.100%.are
1)javs.ogre.dbow.darts.bolts...were.all.fucking.op.on.pures.while.not.having.any.gear.
2)I.honestly.wouldnt.really.change.anything.heavily...But.if.you.want.to.make.avas.and.robinsets.more.expensive.you.have.to.remember.that.darts.and.all.the.other.ranged.weapons.work.fucking.well.without.them.So.people.wont.jump.right.into.investing.into.them.cause.they.are.useless.But.if.you.randomly.give.them.even.bigger.bonuses.like.I.previously.said.ranged.will.get.more.op.
3)pures.are.dipshits.most.of.them.literally.have.1.account.and.its.their.pure.they.know.nothing.about.the.game.but.whine.the.most.Our.combat.and.pk.system.could.be.worse...you.can.pk.shittons.a.day.being.a.pure.when.theres.people.to.fight.in.wilderness..you.can.make.alot.of.bank.doing.it.I.doubt.people.dont.pk.because.combat.system.sucks.its.our.playercount.that.sucks...And.our.playercount.doesnt.suck.because.of.our.combatsystem...
also.this.topic.goes.over.my.head.while.trying.to.answer.it.from.a.purepker.viewpoint.while.not.pking.anymore.You.shouldnt.take.it.seriously.but.maybe.its.time.to.wake.up.pures.and.try.find.solutions.to.your.own.game.because.you.are.the.players.that.need.it.the.most.and.see.its.effects.every.fucking.day
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The problem may lie in how defense is calculated. (defense level) x (defense bonus) = (total defense) is just a dumb way to do it. That means, if one has 99 defense and wears no armor, he has absolutely no defense bonus. Now look at this from pure aspect: having 2 defense levels instead of 1 DOUBLES your total defense. Having defense level of 1 in Emps does jack shit, making people with crap gear hit tons on other pures.
Importance of armor should also be rethought (look at max hit):
(https://i.gyazo.com/5de174b7098f46a1cb177173be53e797.png)(https://i.gyazo.com/32205b0ab151ee92838c4fc8e5aedb49.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/43f485dec2ab846cf3b2582a8986ab9e.png)(https://i.gyazo.com/60891ca06ad7a58f4a9ed58bf6a4d832.png)
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The problem may lie in how defense is calculated. (defense level) x (defense bonus) = (total defense) is just a dumb way to do it. That means, if one has 99 defense and wears no armor, he has absolutely no defense bonus. Now look at this from pure aspect: having 2 defense levels instead of 1 DOUBLES your total defense. Having defense level of 1 in Emps does jack shit, making people with crap gear hit tons on other pures.
Importance of armor should also be rethought (look at max hit):
Calculating defense bonus like (def level) + (def bonus) = (total defense), makes more sense i think. Your def level obviously gives equal bonus to level to all combat styles. Your defense should mainly come from armour (about 250 for bandos equipment + 99 bonus from 99 defense) and the ability to equip higher armour with level.
Would need some nerfs to monsters all around though (high level monsters will be alot stronger)
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Lowering supply isn't necessarily gonna increase demand nor prices. It will work on morrigan's axes and javelins but it won't on things that aren't sinked. There are already a crap ton of dbows, comp ogres, robin sets and avas in the game. Pkers tend to sell their loot so they'll circulate pretty well, I don't think it's gonna bring the price down if we just decrease the amount coming in. We'll need to increase the amount going out as well.
You could take part in discussing nerfs because there's ways to nerf stuff while keeping in mind that it doesn't need that in pvm. Like how zs got the anger effect.
#fullcombatsystemreworkagain #itemsinkspls #pureshaveneverbeenbalanced
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The point of lowering supply isn't to increase demand, but to make them match. Also, do not forget stakers and good PKers: they work as an item sink, storing metric shit tons of items. If Helari's bank, for example, got dropped in a one big drop party, everything would become completely worthless. There is simply way too much item coming into the game.
I would completely like to get rid of the whole 'nerf mentality'. It does nothing but spread negativity inside the community. Nerfs won't fix game mechanics.
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The point of lowering supply isn't to increase demand, but to make them match. Also, do not forget stakers and good PKers: they work as an item sink, storing metric shit tons of items. If Helari's bank, for example, got dropped in a one big drop party, everything would become completely worthless. There is simply way too much item coming into the game.
I would completely like to get rid of the whole 'nerf mentality'. It does nothing but spread negativity inside the community. Nerfs won't fix game mechanics.
Items sitting in someone's bank aren't items sinked. I get that those items aren't circulating, but they're still in the game. Just because all of the lanties are sitting in helari's bank doesn't mean they don't exist. We need actual item sinks.
Replace nerf mentality with balance mentality.
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mary correct's Charr
and yeah 10/10, I totally agree
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The point of lowering supply isn't to increase demand, but to make them match. Also, do not forget stakers and good PKers: they work as an item sink, storing metric shit tons of items. If Helari's bank, for example, got dropped in a one big drop party, everything would become completely worthless. There is simply way too much item coming into the game.
I would completely like to get rid of the whole 'nerf mentality'. It does nothing but spread negativity inside the community. Nerfs won't fix game mechanics.
Items sitting in someone's bank aren't items sinked. I get that those items aren't circulating, but they're still in the game. Just because all of the lanties are sitting in helari's bank doesn't mean they don't exist. We need actual item sinks.
Replace nerf mentality with balance mentality.
I'm not talking about the lanties and rest of the rares. Take a loot at this picture, for example: http://i57.tinypic.com/hu23oz.png
He has more z spears than there are people online at the moment I'm posting this. If he gave out one 3rd age magic set to each person who uses magic in Wilderness or against bosses, he would have leftover sets left in his bank. During our peak times when we have 250 players online, I bet we don't even have 43 individual players online who could afford to buy one of his ags's even then. If his 6B+ cash was divided among 250 players, everyone would get over 25m!
There is way too much supply, it should be reduced. What's the point of going to kill bosses, PKing or do anything in general if it is impossible to sell the loot you get?
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What's the point of going to kill bosses, PKing or do anything in general if it is impossible to sell the loot you get?
#WhyWeNeedItemSinks
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I.doubt.Helari.can.even.get.cleaned..He.can.just.double.his.previous.loss.on.another.stake.and.eventually.win.lol.
Imo.bossing.was.only.worth.in.this.server.when.I.joined.for.the.first.time.
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What's the point of going to kill bosses, PKing or do anything in general if it is impossible to sell the loot you get?
#WhyWeNeedItemSinks
The thing is, those only work temporarily. Use existing items to get even more powerful items -> everything will get even more easier AND items become ultimately even cheaper.
When was the last time you took a look at RS?
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The thing is, those only work temporarily. Use existing items to get even more powerful items -> everything will get even more easier AND items become ultimately even cheaper.
When was the last time you took a look at RS?
I don't think I said anything about the way those items would be sinked, did I?
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Otto is correct.
Item sinks are not a long-term solution. Drop rates and NPC difficulty are.
You sink items and simultaneously nerf drop rates/buff NPC's for an immediate and sustainable effect, or you don't sink any items but still nerf drop rates/buff NPC's for a delayed but sustainable effect.
A sink alone won't solve problems; it's the equivalent of sweeping dust under the rug.
@Charr, you've been incessantly preaching about adding item sinks for months, but I have yet to see you make a valid and thorough suggestion as to HOW items should be removed. It's useless to say we need something but do nothing about it.
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(http://i.imgur.com/cRClSXD.png)
He's on a roll, boys!
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The thing is, those only work temporarily. Use existing items to get even more powerful items -> everything will get even more easier AND items become ultimately even cheaper.
When was the last time you took a look at RS?
I don't think I said anything about the way those items would be sinked, did I?
Whatever item sinks you're wanting to add, this is what I am trying to tell you.
Zamorakian Spears became upgradeable to Chaotic Spears on 27 May 2014, creating an item sink to them.
(https://i.gyazo.com/6382169ea16900a625416f3c11162720.png)
You can see the price going up at first, but after 2 months, comes the first crash. Then it goes up a bit again, and crashes for real. Now the price is around 600k, because Corp is totally pointless to do. Why?
https://i.gyazo.com/ef377ce3bbc26ef9562cdab48c95bd38.png
https://i.gyazo.com/a7889811434d9acc3d891e9768aca8a8.png
https://i.gyazo.com/8286fea1dc6a3203cfe8124aa822eb19.png
Spirit shield crashed to oblivion.
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@Charr, you've been incessantly preaching about adding item sinks for months, but I have yet to see you make a valid and thorough suggestion as to HOW items should be removed. It's useless to say we need something but do nothing about it.
That's because I have yet to come up with a good suggestion on one. I have come up with a few things in these months but they simply aren't good enough. I'll share the list of them and my reasoning behind why they aren't good enough. This may be getting quite off-topic though.
- Guardian angel taking one random item upon activation
This sink would cause a lot of people to stop buying guardian angel, it would lower the amount of cash sinked as well, not good. - Exchanging common pvp loot (robin sets, dscims, avas for example) for a currency which you can buy mostly cosmetic upgrades with
An example would be 5 robin hats for a coloured one, though this wouldn't get too many items sinked since the only benefit to sinking your items there is cosmetics. - Increasing the alch prices of commonly used pvp items
Would result in a lot of cash that would need sinking. - Making max cape (and potentially master capes) take a fire cape, ava and god cape instead of cash
Got a lot of negative backlash on this one in the master capes suggestion, though I still think this is a good one - Trading in certain items for double exp time
Wouldn't appeal to all that many people, would make a some skills a lot more buyable. - Party room chest taking part of the items put in
People would avoid party room when doing drop parties
Anyhow, this is getting quite off-topic, so I'll leave this topic alone.
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@Charr, you've been incessantly preaching about adding item sinks for months, but I have yet to see you make a valid and thorough suggestion as to HOW items should be removed. It's useless to say we need something but do nothing about it.
That's because I have yet to come up with a good suggestion on one. I have come up with a few things in these months but they simply aren't good enough. I'll share the list of them and my reasoning behind why they aren't good enough. This may be getting quite off-topic though.
- Guardian angel taking one random item upon activation
This sink would cause a lot of people to stop buying guardian angel, it would lower the amount of cash sinked as well, not good. - Exchanging common pvp loot (robin sets, dscims, avas for example) for a currency which you can buy mostly cosmetic upgrades with
An example would be 5 robin hats for a coloured one, though this wouldn't get too many items sinked since the only benefit to sinking your items there is cosmetics. - Increasing the alch prices of commonly used pvp items
Would result in a lot of cash that would need sinking. - Making max cape (and potentially master capes) take a fire cape, ava and god cape instead of cash
Got a lot of negative backlash on this one in the master capes suggestion, though I still think this is a good one - Trading in certain items for double exp time
Wouldn't appeal to all that many people, would make a some skills a lot more buyable. - Party room chest taking part of the items put in
People would avoid party room when doing drop parties
Anyhow, this is getting quite off-topic, so I'll leave this topic alone.
'Quite', it's totally off-topic.. I'm gonna have to report this post to a moderator.
Anyhow, you have my full support Otto.
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I would like to disable the ability to buy a guardians angel completely, and only have players one when they first start out the game.
This way its a much more reliable way to decide if you have to pay attention to your damage or not, randomly taking an item is very very frustrating and not fun for anyone.
Fixing values of certain items (mostly pvp items) is very needed
Not sure on how to sink popular pvp items (robin, wanna remove it from black demons, add to wildy bosses only) barrow gloves, dragon gloves, gmauls (maybe add degradable), and bows and shit
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I would like to disable the ability to buy a guardians angel completely, and only have players one when they first start out the game.
This way its a much more reliable way to decide if you have to pay attention to your damage or not, randomly taking an item is very very frustrating and not fun for anyone.
Fixing values of certain items (mostly pvp items) is very needed
Not sure on how to sink popular pvp items (robin, wanna remove it from black demons, add to wildy bosses only) barrow gloves, dragon gloves, gmauls (maybe add degradable), and bows and shit
Shit is too common. Get 99 slayer -> you have enough of the items you mentioned to be shared equally between half of our whole player base.
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Getting hit by constant 40-50's from javelins on a lvl 79 while praying range isn't OP? Not to mention the 60-70's with hunter crossbow through prayer on a lvl 79.. Explain how a melee weapon can compete with constant 30+ from javelins on a level 79 pure.
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Level 79 - - - - - > 1 Defence.
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Getting hit by constant 40-50's from javelins on a lvl 79 while praying range isn't OP? Not to mention the 60-70's with hunter crossbow through prayer on a lvl 79.. Explain how a melee weapon can compete with constant 30+ from javelins on a level 79 pure.
Said this earlier on this thread:
The problem may lie in how defense is calculated. (defense level) x (defense bonus) = (total defense) is just a dumb way to do it. That means, if one has 99 defense and wears no armor, he has absolutely no defense bonus. Now look at this from pure aspect: having 2 defense levels instead of 1 DOUBLES your total defense. Having defense level of 1 in Emps does jack shit, making people with crap gear hit tons on other pures.
Whip can hit 40+ as well, and we are also going to get the new level 80 whip in the near future. The major difference between whip and the javelins is that whip is only a level 70 weapon, javelins are level 78. The new melee weapon should balance things out a bit.
https://i.gyazo.com/7e9e0435739b8e8069f2f39846263959.png
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Level 79 - - - - - > 1 Defence.
http://prntscr.com/8kg2q7
"Whip can hit 40+ as well, and we are also going to get the new level 80 whip in the near future. The major difference between whip and the javelins is that whip is only a level 70 weapon, javelins are level 78. The new melee weapon should balance things out a bit."
How will a level 79 with a whip be able to hit that high consistently? Especially when you're eating the whole time because darts hit 30+ all day. Btw, with range's high hits prayer is not even needed to hit that high/consistent, with melee it is.
+ You're not hitting 40+ without red phat, f cape, and ring of stone, not to mention it still is not consistent enough to compete with range. Go test it for yourself.
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Level 79 - - - - - > 1 Defence.
http://prntscr.com/8kg2q7
"Whip can hit 40+ as well, and we are also going to get the new level 80 whip in the near future. The major difference between whip and the javelins is that whip is only a level 70 weapon, javelins are level 78. The new melee weapon should balance things out a bit."
How will a level 79 with a whip be able to hit that high consistently? Especially when you're eating the whole time because darts hit 30+ all day. Btw, with range's high hits prayer is not even needed to hit that high/consistent, with melee it is.
+ You're not hitting 40+ without red phat, f cape, and ring of stone, not to mention it still is not consistent enough to compete with range. Go test it for yourself.
You need piety and pot to hit 33 with darts: https://i.gyazo.com/8ce41cb4e5aa59378e971211d73c83c5.png
(I only had fury so I'm just assuming the max hit will be 33 with amulet of ranging)
Without piety, you'll only hit for 28.
''+ You're not hitting 40+ without red phat, f cape, and ring of stone, not to mention it still is not consistent enough to compete with range. Go test it for yourself.''
And that's the point of this thread, an attempt to make ranging items more expensive so both styles would need to risk equal amount of wealth for equal hits. In the previous screenshot I gave you, I didn't have red p hat nor climbing boots and my max hit was 43.
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As to have taken hours to read this logical and repeated story, just read Drugs's and Fate's response, those options seem the most logical, since there's too much crap in game.
Make new items (very very very hard to get)
or just delete every ranged item possible and start over.
@Charr, years ago george bought certan items for low price, eventually they vere removed from the game, why not do it again, buy ranged items for a little cash, then remove them all and add a few back and then price it up
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actually, if you took the time to pk you'd notice how op range is in fact on both sides maxed and pure. so, being able to hit constant 35+ with d darts which is faster then every other weapon i suppose that's not op to you? then the fact of being able to pull out a c bow even if praying range and having the ability to max out with a 60+ through range isn't op to you? hmmmkk then we got javs that shit in full pure gear not even great gear hit a 60+ hmmmk then we got axes thrown at the speed of rune knifes hit 55+ hmmmk then (we) had the z bow maxing 40+ every hit hmmmkkk and they say there was a change that it got nerfed. gahaha lie detector test determined that's a lie. Still got the same shit happening and you pvmers cant complain its just as easy to get a kill as it was before the update.
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Idk.idh.these."connections".of.thought.after.not.playing.for.3.months.even.more.pking.but..Idk.take.it.how.it.is.
Most.of.the.people.complaining.are.pures.
I.used.to.run.around.wild.rekting.pures.with.addy.gloves.glory.ammy.darts.and.ogre.bow.(i.would.even.fight.maxed.60atk.pures.in.maxed.gear..they.would.all.run.because.of.my.risk.and.at.the.same.time.risking.1m.I.could.easily.kill.them)
You.really.dont.need.robin.hats.or.ava.to.hit.good.with.darts.or.comp.bow.
The.only.reason.to.use.them.was.that.they.were.slightly.better.and.ava.costs.like.500k.and.robin.set.like.100k.so.why.not.But.in.reality.using.them.made.little.to.no.change.
even.more.why.use.them.while.no.other.rangepures.were.
There.were.90%.pures.without.robin.or.ava.I.doubt.they.were.all.too.poor.to.afford.600k.set.They.really.didnt.contribute.anything.towards.fighting.vs.melee.pures.
You.could.fuck.them.up.with.darts.ogre.and.javs.while.having.little.to.none.gear.
hcbow.was.automatic.lose.when.dead...I.dont.think.that.it.should.rise.more.in.price.to.shoot.bolts.
Bolts.as.pure.was.for.fun.and.it.was.risky.but.at.the.same.time.pretty.rewarding...tho.darts.and.ogre.bow.would.still.put.up.a.huge.fight.against.cbow.maybe.even.a.better.fight.that.cbow.would.ever.do.so.
again.idkidkidkidk.
but.to.me.it.seems.that.darts.should.hit.fucking.shit.and.be.garbage.when.youre.using.no.gear...same.with.other.ranged.items..but.on.the.same.time.wtf.can.you.really.add.to.pures.to.make.them.hit.more?Gearwise.
thomy.should.probably.nerf.every.ranged.weapon.heavily.when.used.with.no.bonuses...make.robin.and.other.ranged.gear.pretty.rare.and.give.them.good.bonuses.so.you.only.hit.good.with.darts.when.you.use.robin.or.idk.
to.me.it.seems.that.ranged.darts.javs.etc.were.fucking.accurate.on.pures.even.with.not.a.single.item.of.gear.equipt.
so.lets.assume.robin.set.is.like.30m.it.makes.you.hit.good.with.ranged.weapons.as.a.pure.but.without.it.you.hit.garbage.so.you.can.fight.other.people.without.risk.fairly..And.you.couldnt.fight.against.people.who.risk.more.and.actually.hit.better.than.them.
So.kids.with.no.risk.couldnt.fuck.up.pures.with.good.armour.And.at.the.same.time.if.you.use.a.good.ranged.armor.you.can.fight.against.melee.pures.and.you.both.risk.alot.and.have.a.fair.chance.of.winning.the.fight.
but.then.again.theres.gmaul.that.hits.pretty.good.with.no.gear.so.you.would.have.to.change.melee.to.same.logic.so.dds.no.gear.wouldnt.hit.30-30.so.often.only.when.used.with.good.bonuses...that.would.fuck.up.the.game.and.make.it.more.like.that.people.with.wealthy.bank.have.an.edge.in.wild...BUT.THEN.AGAIN.they.wouldnt.have.that.edge.against.people.who.risk.same.and.have.same.bonuses.
BUT.THEN.AGAIN.people.would.quit.pking.cause.atm.wild.is.pretty.fucking.easy.for.pures.to.make.bank.cause.you.can.rekt.people.with.risk.ez.without.risking.over.1m
idk.im.not.gonna.suggest.anything.im.just.gonna.say.1.thing.
pures.are.pussies.you.are.all.punch.of.whining.fucks.who.cant.take.what.you.have.and.turn.it.into.profit.for.yourself.
you.all.expect.a.emps-scape.balance.from.wild.but.you.cant.have.it.because.emps-scape.didnt.fucking.have.javs.claws.oridkfk.
you.cant.have.that.era.back.when.pure.risk.fights.were.against.people.risking.alot.and.k0ing.with.gmaul.
eworld.has.given.you.soooooooofucccccckingmuch.but.you.still.whine.Back.in.scape.we.fought.against.maxed.mains.while.being.gmauler.pures.and.k0ing.them.with.gmauls.NOW.YOU.HAVE.JAVS.CLAWS.AND.THIS.OTHER.SHIT.AND.YOU.CANT.EVEN.KILL.ANOTHER.PURE.
My.first.acc.was.gmauler.I.used.to.fish.like.god.knows.howmany.hours.a.day.to.get.best.set.for.my.pure.then.I.went.to.wild.died.and.repated...I.went.fishing.again...to.get.risk.fights.
Anything.above.this.line.was.a.random.thought.not.my.suggestion..
to.all.pures:
-buy.2.javs.and.comp.bow
-go.to.wild
-wait.till.someone.with.high.risk.comes
-log.in.under.him.from.world2
-jav.him.and.compbow.to.finish
-I.guarantee.he.cant.even.react
-loot.maxed.pure.set
-ez50m
-go.to.duel.area.stake.your.50m.and.lose.it
-come.to.forums.to.cry.how.uneven.purepking.is
Loljk.I.can.tell.thats.what.most.of.you.did.
Fuckingpkers.only.whine.while.having.0.ideas.how.to.fix.your.own.wild.that.you.so.much.love.
dont.see.any.pkers.in.feedback.thread.giving.feedback.and.ideas.only.fucking.whining.on.shoutbox.
the.only.2.things.that.I.can.see.100%.are
1)javs.ogre.dbow.darts.bolts...were.all.fucking.op.on.pures.while.not.having.any.gear.
2)I.honestly.wouldnt.really.change.anything.heavily...But.if.you.want.to.make.avas.and.robinsets.more.expensive.you.have.to.remember.that.darts.and.all.the.other.ranged.weapons.work.fucking.well.without.them.So.people.wont.jump.right.into.investing.into.them.cause.they.are.useless.But.if.you.randomly.give.them.even.bigger.bonuses.like.I.previously.said.ranged.will.get.more.op.
3)pures.are.dipshits.most.of.them.literally.have.1.account.and.its.their.pure.they.know.nothing.about.the.game.but.whine.the.most.Our.combat.and.pk.system.could.be.worse...you.can.pk.shittons.a.day.being.a.pure.when.theres.people.to.fight.in.wilderness..you.can.make.alot.of.bank.doing.it.I.doubt.people.dont.pk.because.combat.system.sucks.its.our.playercount.that.sucks...And.our.playercount.doesnt.suck.because.of.our.combatsystem...
also.this.topic.goes.over.my.head.while.trying.to.answer.it.from.a.purepker.viewpoint.while.not.pking.anymore.You.shouldnt.take.it.seriously.but.maybe.its.time.to.wake.up.pures.and.try.find.solutions.to.your.own.game.because.you.are.the.players.that.need.it.the.most.and.see.its.effects.every.fucking.day
all i have tried to do is make changes. iv given feedback iv done everything i could but it gets bashed and then this dude saying range isn't op is the funniest shit iv read today. but sadly nothen will happen abut it and btw g maul was nerfed without gear you cant even max a 32 lol mater fact with great gear you'd be lucky to hit a 32 and the fact that range pkers didn't even have to gear up and risk to hit there max is the saddest thing if any of these people took the time to notice the wildy you'd see only range pkers.
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well.thats.what.I.said.range.doesnt.even.require.a.gear.to.hit.good.
and.gmaul.nerf.was.suggested.by.me.but.I.said.it.was.op.on.mains(and.it.was)It.should.not.have.been.so.stronk.for.mains.for.a.400k.weapon.
When.it.changed.for.pures.also.I.was.disappointed.a.bit.myself.because.I.tried.to.avoid.it.(I.was.trying.to.atleast.suggest.that.they.keep.it.untouched.on.pures.if.somehow.possible)
But.that.wasnt.possible.
I.dont.think.that.gmaul.is.bad.for.pures.its.just.that.range.is.too.good?
about.gmaul...again...the.change.on.mains.came.out.imo.perfect.no.idea.about.pures.maybe.you.should.boost.it.again.abit?(not.back.to.original.prenerf.but.abit)
anyways.just.assuming.here.again.cause.I.dont.purepk.
gmauls.should.also.be.more.expensive.when.boosted.maybe.around.1m/ish?