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K'ril Tsutsaroth & Zammy Wines
« on: April 08, 2019, 07:45:55 pm »
I brought this up in the discord channel awhile ago but the conversation got buried so I guess I'll make a thread about it.

K'ril:
His droptable is kind of ass compared to the other GWD bosses (Nex excluded). 5 different types of runes, an unreliable zammy wine drop, and 3-dose zammy brew drops paired with some other generic filler make his dt feel generally unrewarding outside of good alchs and gold drops between him and his minions. Most of the other GWD bosses have good resource drops that give them variety, but K'ril basically has none of that.

Some possible tweaks:
-Scrap like all of the rune drops, keep blood/death runes at most even though they already have so many different drop sources. The other GWD bosses drop at most one type of rune and while it makes sense for him - as he drops the magic set - it feels a bit excessive.
-Buff the wine drop, it's a decent quantity but doesn't drop often enough to make him a viable source of wines. Increase the quantity or rarity and possibly give him a rarer bulk drop of them.
-Make his zammy brew drop 4-dose like it probably should be, as this is the only instance in GWD of a 3-dose potion drop. Zil drops her brews in 4-dose but he doesn't, seems more like a bug to me.
-Swap out the super attacks for restores possibly? Graardor's restore drop is incredibly nice, and with the prayer changes it could be a much better alternative.
-Move Zil's jangerberry drop to K'ril and possibly have K'ril drop torstols as well. Gives K'ril another fairly useful herblore drop.
-If he needs any other filler drops, adamantite/runite bars could round out the droptable or some other small bulk supply drops for skills that might be lacking in them. I can't think of any alternatives at the moment.

Wines:
Collecting wines feels like a bit of a slog, especially being such a key ingredient going into late-game herblore. Most current drop sources are either very slow or not worth bothering with due to quantities or risk. It would be nice to see some more drop sources for wines or simply improving some of the drop sources slightly.

Some possible tweaks:
-Buff monks' wine drop slightly, either by increasing the chance from 30% to 50-100% or make it drop in small quantities, like 1-3 or so. Alternatively you can give them rarer bulk drops like what spiders received for red spider's eggs, although not nearly as much.
-Improve and add wine drops to some more bosses as currently only 2 bosses drop wines. Nex's wine drop feels fine but as mentioned before, K'ril's drop is fairly unreliable. Some other bosses that could use a few new drops include Corp and SDC, and possibly a few others.
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Re: K'ril Tsutsaroth & Zammy Wines
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2019, 08:26:46 am »
To be honest, K'ril Tsutsaroths droptable compared to the other GWD bosses is a bit weak and could do with a few improvements. Now keep in mind that he's currently the easiest GWD boss to eliminate in comparison with his other counterparts. Meaning that if you want to buff his droptable you would need to make him slightly stronger to cope up.
I agree that he should drop 4 sipped brews like the others. However, I don't think his super attack potion drops should be replaced with super restores. I think that's what General graardor is for. While Zilyana drops s magic pots and Kree'Arra s ranging. It makes the overload process more conveinent for some players. Although s strength and s defence pots are left out I think limpwrut seeds drop should be added to Graardor should. I feel like there should be another way around of obtaining them other than just killing hill giants, no?
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Re: K'ril Tsutsaroth & Zammy Wines
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2019, 05:49:16 pm »
Now keep in mind that he's currently the easiest GWD boss to eliminate. Meaning that if you want to buff his droptable you would need to make him slightly stronger to cope up.
I mean, not necessarily? I think he's in a fine spot at the moment. If you're basing your observations off of running full max gear with overloads and brews then of course he's going to be a cake walk. Even if you buff him to cope, he's most likely still going to be the easiest boss available in GWD which I don't think is a bad thing anyway. Not all of the GWD bosses have to be bogged down with unnecessary difficulty and annoying mechanics.

However, I don't think his super attack potion drops should be replaced with super restores. I think that's what General graardor is for.
Of all the supers, attacks are probably the easiest to make in terms of resources. Most players also use restores more than they use attacks. I understand where you're coming from though by keeping it niche.

I feel like there should be another way around of obtaining s str pots other than just farming limpwurt roots, no?
Graardor's seed drops are pretty filler as well, I could see swapping out one of them for limpwurt roots or seeds being a nice change.
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