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dis place be deaded
« on: April 13, 2016, 07:44:22 pm »
USA PRESIDENT RALLY

Who do you support? Why?

Any discussion regarding this topic.

Mary

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 09:32:13 pm »
All of em suck this year

Trump is a racist show-off billionaire idiot (perfect for usa i suppose, if he only does 10% of what he promises like every candidate i guess he'll be fine)
Clinton cant be trusted for 1 penny and should be in jail for scandals (like every politician i guess)
Sanders has unrealistic social standards (cmon 15$ minimum wage really never of your life + some other ridiculous social standpoints) and in general does not fit in the usa mentality

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Re: dis place be deaded
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 10:21:30 pm »
All of em suck this year

Trump is a racist show-off billionaire idiot (perfect for usa i suppose, if he only does 10% of what he promises like every candidate i guess he'll be fine)
Clinton cant be trusted for 1 penny and should be in jail for scandals (like every politician i guess)
Sanders has unrealistic social standards (cmon 15$ minimum wage really never of your life + some other ridiculous social standpoints) and in general does not fit in the usa mentality
I wish we had Rubio still running. we'd get more dick insults like this https://youtu.be/Cme7JU7YnfM?t=19s

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Re: dis place be deaded
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2016, 11:50:22 am »
USA PRESIDENT RALLY

Who do you support? Why?

Any discussion regarding this topic.
haha if USA gets trump to be the president, that's the beginning of the  end for it.XD
no really  ???

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Re: dis place be deaded
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2016, 11:53:25 am »
Don't really follow this kind of stuff. I follow sports, but. Whatever.

Whoever can get me a cheaper college education has my vote.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2016, 02:00:41 pm »
Whoever can get me a cheaper college education has my vote.

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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2016, 02:46:43 pm »
All of em suck this year

Trump is a racist show-off billionaire idiot (perfect for usa i suppose, if he only does 10% of what he promises like every candidate i guess he'll be fine)
Clinton cant be trusted for 1 penny and should be in jail for scandals (like every politician i guess)
Sanders has unrealistic social standards (cmon 15$ minimum wage really never of your life + some other ridiculous social standpoints) and in general does not fit in the usa mentality

I agree with all of that besides the Sanders thing.

He's the only viable person who can somewhat get this Pathetic excuse of a Nation somewhat back on track.

-Educated the Population
-Shifting towards Renewable energy
-Ending Money in Politics
-Giving a some-what living wage
-Telling the TRUTH

I'll take that anytime over anyone who's currently running. He's speaking the truth. The logic of saying "Oh why even try it'll be impossible to get anything done, let's just stay the same and not strive for something better".

It's that mentality is why our species will cause itself to go extent.




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Re: dis place be deaded
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2016, 02:30:50 pm »
All of em suck this year

Trump is a racist show-off billionaire idiot (perfect for usa i suppose, if he only does 10% of what he promises like every candidate i guess he'll be fine)
Clinton cant be trusted for 1 penny and should be in jail for scandals (like every politician i guess)
Sanders has unrealistic social standards (cmon 15$ minimum wage really never of your life + some other ridiculous social standpoints) and in general does not fit in the usa mentality

Trump isn't racist though, he just wants to do what most other countries do and keep people from illegally coming to the states.. he just wants people to take the real necessary steps and become a citizen instead of just coming here. You have no idea how other countries are when it comes to illegal immigration.. like fuck. You can't even step out of an airport without a passport in japan
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 01:48:29 pm »
All of em suck this year

Trump is a racist show-off billionaire idiot (perfect for usa i suppose, if he only does 10% of what he promises like every candidate i guess he'll be fine)
Clinton cant be trusted for 1 penny and should be in jail for scandals (like every politician i guess)
Sanders has unrealistic social standards (cmon 15$ minimum wage really never of your life + some other ridiculous social standpoints) and in general does not fit in the usa mentality

Trump isn't racist though, he just wants to do what most other countries do and keep people from illegally coming to the states.. he just wants people to take the real necessary steps and become a citizen instead of just coming here. You have no idea how other countries are when it comes to illegal immigration.. like fuck. You can't even step out of an airport without a passport in japan

This is the mentality that's driving America to the ground. Yes Trump is as racist as they come. Do some research and look at his history.

While I do agree everyone should have to go through the "so-called fair-legal-process" to immigrate here(Just another money making scheme)( you need to get permission to cross an artificial border on the Planet you were born to)

Ask yourself, if you had Children, and you made Less than $5.00 a day with no worker rights/protection/healthcare/regulations/etc. With your Government controlled by the Cartel, death around every corner,etc. Would you do just about anything to give yourself and your family a better life?

I think yes.

So I believe we shouldn't have this system where we only allow safe passage into our border for just people who have the most money. Immigration reform is needed, and to deport every single person who's already here is absurd.

Don't forget what America strands for, let us look at what our Statue of Liberty Says: “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”


So be still child.


Also @Mary - Look at the polls and tell me that America doesn't have the mentality.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2016, 08:38:15 am »
All of em suck this year

Trump is a racist show-off billionaire idiot (perfect for usa i suppose, if he only does 10% of what he promises like every candidate i guess he'll be fine)
Clinton cant be trusted for 1 penny and should be in jail for scandals (like every politician i guess)
Sanders has unrealistic social standards (cmon 15$ minimum wage really never of your life + some other ridiculous social standpoints) and in general does not fit in the usa mentality

Trump isn't racist though, he just wants to do what most other countries do and keep people from illegally coming to the states.. he just wants people to take the real necessary steps and become a citizen instead of just coming here. You have no idea how other countries are when it comes to illegal immigration.. like fuck. You can't even step out of an airport without a passport in japan

This is the mentality that's driving America to the ground. Yes Trump is as racist as they come. Do some research and look at his history.

While I do agree everyone should have to go through the "so-called fair-legal-process" to immigrate here(Just another money making scheme)( you need to get permission to cross an artificial border on the Planet you were born to)

Ask yourself, if you had Children, and you made Less than $5.00 a day with no worker rights/protection/healthcare/regulations/etc. With your Government controlled by the Cartel, death around every corner,etc. Would you do just about anything to give yourself and your family a better life?

I think yes.

So I believe we shouldn't have this system where we only allow safe passage into our border for just people who have the most money. Immigration reform is needed, and to deport every single person who's already here is absurd.

Don't forget what America strands for, let us look at what our Statue of Liberty Says: “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”


So be still child.


Also @Mary - Look at the polls and tell me that America doesn't have the mentality.

Meanwhile I'm a "child" just sitting in Camp Stanley, South Korea, ok then. Also, meanwhile North Korean peasants look down at South Korea with no means of escape no matter what.. and yet the conditions in Mexico are bad?

So tell me this.. do you believe people deserve everything handed to them? Do you believe everyone deserves free college? If so then you're obviously a Bernie Sanders fan. Part of the entitled pack.
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2016, 04:08:14 pm »
All of em suck this year

Trump is a racist show-off billionaire idiot (perfect for usa i suppose, if he only does 10% of what he promises like every candidate i guess he'll be fine)
Clinton cant be trusted for 1 penny and should be in jail for scandals (like every politician i guess)
Sanders has unrealistic social standards (cmon 15$ minimum wage really never of your life + some other ridiculous social standpoints) and in general does not fit in the usa mentality

Trump isn't racist though, he just wants to do what most other countries do and keep people from illegally coming to the states.. he just wants people to take the real necessary steps and become a citizen instead of just coming here. You have no idea how other countries are when it comes to illegal immigration.. like fuck. You can't even step out of an airport without a passport in japan

This is the mentality that's driving America to the ground. Yes Trump is as racist as they come. Do some research and look at his history.

While I do agree everyone should have to go through the "so-called fair-legal-process" to immigrate here(Just another money making scheme)( you need to get permission to cross an artificial border on the Planet you were born to)

Ask yourself, if you had Children, and you made Less than $5.00 a day with no worker rights/protection/healthcare/regulations/etc. With your Government controlled by the Cartel, death around every corner,etc. Would you do just about anything to give yourself and your family a better life?

I think yes.

So I believe we shouldn't have this system where we only allow safe passage into our border for just people who have the most money. Immigration reform is needed, and to deport every single person who's already here is absurd.

Don't forget what America strands for, let us look at what our Statue of Liberty Says: “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”


So be still child.


Also @Mary - Look at the polls and tell me that America doesn't have the mentality.

Meanwhile I'm a "child" just sitting in Camp Stanley, South Korea, ok then. Also, meanwhile North Korean peasants look down at South Korea with no means of escape no matter what.. and yet the conditions in Mexico are bad?

So tell me this.. do you believe people deserve everything handed to them? Do you believe everyone deserves free college? If so then you're obviously a Bernie Sanders fan. Part of the entitled pack.

All of em suck this year

Trump is a racist show-off billionaire idiot (perfect for usa i suppose, if he only does 10% of what he promises like every candidate i guess he'll be fine)
Clinton cant be trusted for 1 penny and should be in jail for scandals (like every politician i guess)
Sanders has unrealistic social standards (cmon 15$ minimum wage really never of your life + some other ridiculous social standpoints) and in general does not fit in the usa mentality

Trump isn't racist though, he just wants to do what most other countries do and keep people from illegally coming to the states.. he just wants people to take the real necessary steps and become a citizen instead of just coming here. You have no idea how other countries are when it comes to illegal immigration.. like fuck. You can't even step out of an airport without a passport in japan

This is the mentality that's driving America to the ground. Yes Trump is as racist as they come. Do some research and look at his history.

While I do agree everyone should have to go through the "so-called fair-legal-process" to immigrate here(Just another money making scheme)( you need to get permission to cross an artificial border on the Planet you were born to)

Ask yourself, if you had Children, and you made Less than $5.00 a day with no worker rights/protection/healthcare/regulations/etc. With your Government controlled by the Cartel, death around every corner,etc. Would you do just about anything to give yourself and your family a better life?

I think yes.

So I believe we shouldn't have this system where we only allow safe passage into our border for just people who have the most money. Immigration reform is needed, and to deport every single person who's already here is absurd.

Don't forget what America strands for, let us look at what our Statue of Liberty Says: “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”


So be still child.


Also @Mary - Look at the polls and tell me that America doesn't have the mentality.

Meanwhile I'm a "child" just sitting in Camp Stanley, South Korea, ok then. Also, meanwhile North Korean peasants look down at South Korea with no means of escape no matter what.. and yet the conditions in Mexico are bad?

So tell me this.. do you believe people deserve everything handed to them? Do you believe everyone deserves free college? If so then you're obviously a Bernie Sanders fan. Part of the entitled pack.

Don't take things out of context. Of course there are Countries which living conditions are far worse compared to Mexico. If people from North Korea attempted to flee into South Korea I would not blame them. Just as I do not blame families from Mexico fleeing into the United States.

Did I say open the flood gates and let them all in? No of course not, I stated immigration reform was needed, and gave you reasons to why they're so desperate to cross borders.

Do you believe people deserve everything handed to them?

No of course not! Anything luxury should not just be handed out, if you want a nice car you better work damned hard for it, same goes for any kind of wants. If you want some you better work your ass off for it.

Do you believe everyone deserves free college?

Yes of course. It's a fact when you invest in your fellow human beings you're actually investing in the future, no the survival of your Nation/Species. People said the GI BILL would fail and look how the economy and the middle class reaped the benefits.

Of course there should be some rules that apply that you must maintain a certain GPA or penalty if you decide to waste tax payer money by partying and drinking then failing your classes, a fine perhaps, being banned from Tuition Free college.

We made K-12 free because that's all you needed to be able to get a sustainable job, build a 401k, etc. It's 2017, and a high school diploma will land you just about nowhere.

So if educating our society with my tax money and looking out for one another as a whole is WRONG and so HORRIBLE. Then you're on the wrong side of history.

But hey I hope that wall works out. Because everyone is still building castles now a days since they're so effective right?

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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2016, 05:58:01 pm »


Yes, Trump is a little radical and dumb. He doesn't understand that the smartest thing to do in a liberal country is not to start shouting your radical ideas out, that will almost always give you a nazi or racist title.

The immigration policy itself is a chaos right now, and Trump is right about that. Of course people escape from a crappy country to a better one. Everyone wants a better life. But the thing about immigration like this is that it starts flooding the country with immigrants, and that brings more bad than good. That is also happening in Europe (Germany, Sweden, UK)

He is right about the immigration policy, but the way he says it and expresses himself, that's not the best campaign out there.

As for free college education, I am not very familiar with this topic, but I can assume that if it is made free, then it will become useless in the future just like high school diploma (your own words, Nightfall), and that's really logical. Masses will have college education which will make it worthless in the end.
Another thing is that USA colleges have really a lot of useless studies, people will spend years and years of their lives, refusing to move on with their lives, because they are studying these useless (okay, almost) majors. Once they graduate they will be old as fuck with no proper major. More useless adults, yay.

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2016, 06:20:49 pm »


Yes, Trump is a little radical and dumb. He doesn't understand that the smartest thing to do in a liberal country is not to start shouting your radical ideas out, that will almost always give you a nazi or racist title.

The immigration policy itself is a chaos right now, and Trump is right about that. Of course people escape from a crappy country to a better one. Everyone wants a better life. But the thing about immigration like this is that it starts flooding the country with immigrants, and that brings more bad than good. That is also happening in Europe (Germany, Sweden, UK)

He is right about the immigration policy, but the way he says it and expresses himself, that's not the best campaign out there.

As for free college education, I am not very familiar with this topic, but I can assume that if it is made free, then it will become useless in the future just like high school diploma (your own words, Nightfall), and that's really logical. Masses will have college education which will make it worthless in the end.
Another thing is that USA colleges have really a lot of useless studies, people will spend years and years of their lives, refusing to move on with their lives, because they are studying these useless (okay, almost) majors. Once they graduate they will be old as fuck with no proper major. More useless adults, yay.



Yes, I agree with what you stated about immigration, which still equals to what I've stated: There needs to be immigration reform. For that part I agree with you.

I disagree with your Free Tuition hypothesis. Education isn't like money vs inflation(More Money Printed = Less the worth). Again you can't compare apples to oranges so to say.

High School Diplomas became obsolete as we as a species gradually increased our technical advancements.

 Our demand for higher education in the job market has sky rocketed due to the fact you can't have someone become a welder with no experience but a high school diploma, or let alone a Doctor/Surgeon/etc.

Masses will be educated: Yes
Will it make it worthless in the end? No of course not.

There would be higher job competition of course, however even today people who finish college still end up working at a low end job, so why should they be stuck in debt for the rest of their lives?

You should want a Higher Educated Society a whole. Saying "Oh everyone will become educated and it wont be special anymore" is illogical,

Imagine your fellow man educated, this would easily bring an end to corruption and many world affairs.

So that statement was Illogical.

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2016, 07:13:45 pm »
Education isn't like money vs inflation(More Money Printed = Less the worth).

This is somewhat true, but somewhat not. If the amount of people with the education for a specific job surprass the demand of workers = less the worth. There won't be need for that specific education.
(Also look -> however even today people who finish college still end up working at a low end job) <- And this group would grow.

Yes, it is true that we need a lot more qualification for a job nowadays. I agree with that.

"Masses will be educated: Yes
/.../
Imagine your fellow man educated, this would easily bring an end to corruption and many world affairs."

Thing is that education doesn't necessarily make you smarter, so to say. Some people just are hillbillies and even with a college education, it doesn't really raise their natural IQ.

Plus we end up with the same statement I said before. A lot of useless studies. What is the point of masses educated if their major is well.. stupid? Instead of moving on with their lives, getting jobs, building families, they spend years and years for nothing.

I agree with decreasing the cost, enough for smart people to get education for jobs that are needed (not too many though), but nothing making it totally free, because that will produce useless adults to society, either ones who could've moved on with their lives already, or just too many people wanting the same job.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2016, 07:55:58 pm »
Education isn't like money vs inflation(More Money Printed = Less the worth).

This is somewhat true, but somewhat not. If the amount of people with the education for a specific job surprass the demand of workers = less the worth. There won't be need for that specific education.
(Also look -> however even today people who finish college still end up working at a low end job) <- And this group would grow.

Yes, it is true that we need a lot more qualification for a job nowadays. I agree with that.

"Masses will be educated: Yes
/.../
Imagine your fellow man educated, this would easily bring an end to corruption and many world affairs."

Thing is that education doesn't necessarily make you smarter, so to say. Some people just are hillbillies and even with a college education, it doesn't really raise their natural IQ.

Plus we end up with the same statement I said before. A lot of useless studies. What is the point of masses educated if their major is well.. stupid? Instead of moving on with their lives, getting jobs, building families, they spend years and years for nothing.

I agree with decreasing the cost, enough for smart people to get education for jobs that are needed (not too many though), but nothing making it totally free, because that will produce useless adults to society, either ones who could've moved on with their lives already, or just too many people wanting the same job.

surpass the demand of workers = less the worth.

High Skilled Paying Jobs will not decrease in value because there's more competition. It is already like the situation you explained for many jobs. Education is the key that gives people equal opportunity into creating a better life for themselves if they choose to work hard(American Dream).

The point of giving people education isn't to hand them out anything nor promise them a future in that career, it's to give them the same playing field as everyone else(OPPORTUNITY). Again it's not to say hey if you choose to be a Photographer we will pay for your dreams but assure you that you'll be successful. Wrong, it's you have the OPPORTUNITY to pursue whatever career you desire, BUT it's up to you to put in the work and dedication to achieve that which you desire.
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Saying Education doesn't make you smarter is like saying eating doesn't make you full. However you have some small truths in that statement. Some people lets say 10% will not fully appreciate that education and blow it off. So yes they will have been free loaders/waste of money and time and they will be where they still are.

HOWEVER, I rather have small fraction of individuals misuse that system and have the majority take advantage of that opportunity and become greater. So in the end, more people would be much more educated compared to the phew that aren't.
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Everything else below I disagree. Some studies may be useless to YOU. Art/Photography/Florist/etc, but to them that may be their passion, their gift, their purpose. I rather have someone do something they love rather than play it safe and get an office job.

Success is defined by the individual, not by the amount of money they're making. To some being a Janitor is successful if that means immigrating to the United States, Becoming a Janitor and being able to out your ids through school.

There's nothing as a useless career. Some pay better than others, Yes, some don't, that's okay.


So basically you've said educated adults will be useless to society? So I ask you, what about right now we have adults that are not educated, unemployed, no skills, etc.

And what happens to the most poor? Crime, Gangs, Drugs, Living off of the Government. But that's okay for some people.

Rather than giving those people the opportunity before it develops into that at a young age. Of course some will still fall down but it'll reduce the amount of "No Life's" tremendously.


Now go to bed Ekke.
 


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